Elon Musk followers turn on him after he backs importing 'super talented engineers'

Ah yes, the American dream.

Yeah, he just wants more pliant and subservient H1B visa holders that he can pay less than he'd have to offer to an American, who will be deported after 2 months if they don't work hard enough to satisfy him.

Oh. Right.

By 'deported', I guess we're now talking about 'rounded up into mass concentration camps.'

He's running out of inexperienced engineers to burn through. He statedv early on that he wanted to create a surplus of engineers to drive down the cost.

That cost being, paying the engineers' salaries.

I work pretty closely with a lot of young engineers. My work brings them in as interns, hires them, but doesn't pay them very well and after 2 years we have new engineers because they've all found better jobs. Saturating the market with talent really hasn't worked out the way he wanted it to, because as it turns out that's nothing new.

So now he's gotta find a new way to pay engineers less.

It's a common trick used in American Hiring Practices, knowingly set an impossible standard for hiring. Turn around and say "We can't fill this position with candidates in the US, here's the list of people we rejected. Can we get approved for hiring visas?"

And The Government falls for that bullshit guaranteed... after some donations to the Super PAC of course.

Yeah the more I've learned about H1 visas the more they stink. You set up your entire life and your employer can destroy it all at any time by firing you. So they take pay cuts, extra hours, extra duties, demands to sleep in the office, just horrible shit that American employees won't stand for.

All we need to do is extend it to a 2 year rolling period for the individual. If you lose your job you have 2 years to get the next one. And employers have to wait 5 years before they can bring in another H1b employee if they fire one. After 5 years give them a green card.

That's the only way to keep salaries depressed, which is why they're brought in. If they could switch jobs, there'd be competition among potential employers and the salaries would increase. The whole H1B scheme is a filthy racket. It depresses the wages of non-H1B workers, it exploits those on an H1B visa, and there's a whole cottage industry of faking recruitment campaigns before showing that a company was "forced" to fill a critical skills shortage with an H1B holder. For example, the qualifications can be written so that only people on certain Indian of Chinese computer-science courses can have the required coursework. Not that the applicant necessarily took the course, though: there's another cottage industry in India and in China of people doing exams on someone else's behalf.

And then there's industrial espionage...

They like the taste of boot, that's why they're Muskrats.

It's not really "between the lines" when he's been straight up shouting exactly that for years. He's been very vocal about it at least since he bought Twitter, "keeping only the most talented ones who really want to work" and it turned out that only the immigrants who can't AFFORD to leave stayed for shit pay.

FTFA:

Another Musk follower said that he should "open a school" to better train Americans, and then added, "We have brains."

"If you need a school, you’ve lost already," Musk replied.

You need a school? Get back to work peasant.

I believe it was a CEO of British Airways that referred to passengers as "self-loading cargo", so it's not like it's new that the haves see the have-nots as a resource to be managed.

Because this goes against the Nazi shit.

Please reference this simple chart:

He didn't "overstay" his visa. The minute he set foot on US soil, he dropped out of the college he enrolled in and leveraged his father's connections to land that startup job. When your family owns an emerald mine, they might not be US citizens, but they're definitely going to make friends with US citizens, and those are the people you schmooze.

The education available in the United States is excellent. Just not for everyone. Just like healthcare in the United States. The best healthcare in the world is available here, just not to everyone. Because of money. For those with access to it, the amount they pay for it translates into higher wage requirements.

Due to socialized education in other countries (and more robust and generally available high-quality public education), particularly in developing democracies, the average starting wage for similar talent is much lower abroad.

Musk would never consider an employee who didn’t go to Stanford or Harvard or MIT or a similarly well accredited engineering school. He also wouldn’t consider those candidates because they would have much higher wage requirements which he conflicts with “laziness“. If the richest man on earth ever were actually willing to pay a living wage to Americans, he would still have the top talent he could get elsewhere. But, as a Self interested business person, he only cares about what’s cheaper. Therefore, he integrates anything that isn’t his primary choice in order to make his immoral business decisions appear more ethical. Or at least reasonable.

When it really translates to his: “I would hire American talent, but they feel they deserve to be paid better than what I’m willing to pay anyone other than myself.”

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The goal is to lower US labor costs to below European ones and more akin to the typical 50k/year indentured servitude india H1B worker salary.

christ it should be a rule to never post links to sites that require accounts or logins when sharing information about a discussion without also providing screenshots or a non-account mirror.

Immigrants are in a more precarious position and are harder to get on board with unionisation efforts. The H1B visa specifically is designed specifically to undermine worker solidarity. If you're on a H1B visa and you get fired, your visa is cancelled and you go back home, to be replaced by someone else. There's similar incentives at play for undocumented migrants.

Any immigration that doesn't include a full green card is bad for all workers.

I don’t understand how anyone thinks immigrants steal jobs

Econ 101 Supply/Demand charts tell us that if the supply of laborers goes up, the price for each laborer must fall.

So it's less stealing jobs and more stealing bargaining power for pay.

Of course, this ignores the price fixing power of monopsony. Prices can also be low because there is only one buyer of labor (or one big cartel) in an industry that refuses to employ outside of a certain price range. If you pick up Peter Theil's book "Zero to One", you'll read all about how the end goal of a business owner is to corner the market and dictate price within the industry.

Read between the lines. More unions in USA means companies have less guys to be robbed for profits. So they - especially Leon - need more workers for less money. Leon needs slaves!

“Stealing” jobs is just Americans being willfully ignorant that these people are willing to work shit conditions, for less pay, so they can get that “American Dream” they’ve been sold so often.

Yes, you’re correct the corps are enabling it but the other aspect is our own citizens being ignorant fucks and not caring about adjusting their views because it would mean admitting they are wrong.

And what happens to us who were born here? Where are we supposed to go when all the jobs that we could fill are being taken by H1Bs and Optimus robots?

My job tried to strong arm a bunch of Indian engineers into going home with massive paycuts. They all found jobs in India paying more than what work was offering but let work pay their moving expenses back home before quitting. I'm super proud of those guys.

A shortage of engineers willing to work for Musk-led companies, maybe. Tesla is well-known in tech circles to have awful work culture. You can only survive with high turnover like that for so long before most American engineers know that there are much greener pastures.

Yes there is a shortage, a shortage of workers who are unable to say no without being threatened with deportation and compensated with far lower non-competitive wages.

The industry is flooded with American workers though