Luigi's Manifesto - Thanks Ken Klipz
Luigi's Manifesto
Kenny Klipz has the goods. This is the real thing, most likely.
BTW it's not behind paywall so do our guy some good and give him some traffic for the scoop.
damn it's short. 262 words. definitely one of the reasons they are not posting it because anyone would read it and it isn't as crazy or wild as I thought.
the guy is pissed, he identifies the problem, and what makes it intractable at this point. that is not something power wants spread around, because it's easy to read and digest.
The dude might be brainwormed but he carried out an action of class war and his stated reasons are literally class war.
He's our guy. I don't care whether people found some history of him being suckered into right wing culture war bullshit. Yeah and? The entire working class is deliberately divided along those lines to prevent people from uniting behind this shit.
If you're waging class war you're on my fucking team, the rest of the shit can be sorted out. Hitlerites can fuck off because they're not waging class war for the proles they're waging it for the protection of the bourgeoisie. But this dude is not a Hitlerite.
100%, the class solidarity seen after what he did has momentum and it needs to keep going. that starts with looking passed whatever weird shit this dude thought about jacking off. he as far as i could tell, wasn't a hateful or bigoted person or anything like that. i can look passed basically anything else.
Good post, though I think we should remain critical of his tactics. Mercin CEO's might get people to recognize each other, but it's never going to lead to systemic change that can only be achieved by organizing. I don't want dead CEO's, I want a different system that obviates them entirely.
Good post. He's not the hero we wanted or even the one we deserved...but he is the one we have and he has my critical support. Its very different of course but in some ways I'm reminded of Julian Assange and the importance of not missing the forest for the trees.
I think things are going to polarize and start to sort themselves out. Look at how the hogs are responding to the right wing grifters - Ben Shapenis' followers are turning on him.
Edit: please note, all of my recent predictions have been wrong.
damn it's short
Well, yeah, the cops only had so much time to write it on the drive to the mcdonalds
To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.
lmao
Suck off the prosecutor and FBI at the top. Really playing for that acquittal.
I hope that happens just for the full hilarity of it. Dude could just go on talk shows and joke about the time he was accused of killing a guy, possibly did it wink, and now he's free
He's able to write the New York Times best seller If I Shot that CEO.
Which will make it all the funnier when he kills again.
This still seems pretty not real. This is basically a note saying "I did it, it was me and only me and the proof is I own a computer (I work in engineering so you won't find any "real" evidence). I did it because I hate United. Anyway I know nothing, have no message to send, and couldn't possibly write more bye now"
Even if this really came from the police, if you wanted to convict somebody with very little effort, this would be the perfect evidence to "find". That in reality makes no sense to actually write.
The only situation would be if luigi is also in on it lol the only thing he disputed was the 10k in cash and that his backpack was waterproof. Not a "Faraday cage" lol
I think people are making outrageous overestimations of how competent the NYPD is. The idea that they essentially hired some deep state actor to pretend to be the guy to cover their asses while branching the conspiracy outside of state lines and fooling another department is so ludicrous to me like if they were gonna do that they would at least wait another month or two in case they find the real guy.
I think this whole thing is fun but the grasping at straws is pretty wild to me like the eyebrow thing was already refuted perhaps we just want the guy to be our Lenin and we’re mad that he’s actually just a techbro weirdo?
Lots of magical thinking going on IMO but I would be very hyped if I’m wrong about this
Regarding the "he only disputed the cash" bit:
My understanding is that this isn't the murder trial, so none of the other items would have been brought up because they aren't relevant to the hearing. The only thing this hearing was for is whether he should be held behind bars and for how long, and the cash was relevant to make that determination because it was being argued that the cash (and in particular the fact that part of it was foreign currency) indicates that he's a flight risk and is trying to flee the country. That was being used as the basis for asking the judge to rule that he should be held without bail pending trial.
This wouldn't be the time or place for disputing the facts of the case because there is no case at this moment. No trial has occurred, and this courtroom doesn't even have jurisdiction to hold a trial for this case. The New York prosecutors office would need to make a request for extradition and he would need to be tried in a New York court.
So the fact that he only disputed the cash doesn't necessarily mean he is admitting the rest belonged to him. It's just as likely that the cash is the only thing that was disputed because it was the only thing that was presented as being relevant to make a decision regarding bail, and the other items weren't commented on because they weren't relevant to the matter being discussed.
If someone has more knowledge on everything that was presented in court and can comment further on the matter, feel free to correct me!
To be clear: the only thing being reported on is that he disputed the 10k in cash and his backpack. I'm increasingly starting to think this isn't a frame up job but afaik we have no idea what he said or did not say about the manifesto or the gun...or whether or not he was even questioned about those things in the first place.
I mostly agree with you, but on the other hand this reads like something I would write if I didn’t trust myself to properly intellectually represent my beliefs. Very “I’m a dummy but this was the right thing to do. Go read a book about it”
I mean he is still alive and presumably going to stand trial.
If they Epstein him though I'd say he definitely didn't do it.
Funny I'd believe he did it, if they were to epstein him
to the feds, i'll keep this short, you guys are really cool. you all have really large penises and your wives aren't cheating on you. you, the feds, aren't the ones writing this manifesto, i am. i killed that guy and i am guilty. he was alive, i used a gun and shot him, and he is no longer alive. i did that with my hands. the same hands i am using to write this note. the note clarifying i am guilty.
Media is really out there posting this guy's mug everywhere when it's clearly a different guy in like every goddamn photo in the lead-up to the shooting. Man, fuck this world.
It's a modern day Sacco and Vanzetti
Just grabbing the nearest Italian man and putting on him
Time is a flat circle.
Trump needs to bring back the fake news rhetoric
Been missing it fr
262 words describing an ideological outlook? Truly STEM graduate level writing.
Never have I heard a truer statement in my life. Most engineers I've known could sum up their ideologies in 14.
14
but also fucking stemlords
He won't reiterate the arguments against private health care because he's afraid the stack overflow mods will remove it for being a duplicate.
this is a fed excercisse in creative writing..
how are you all falling for this shit ?
even prepares that they Dont have much evidence on his computer : "The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there"
if i where the Jury i would not be convinced . looks all to plannted .. why does he suddenly wants to be caught ?
I mean, if it is, it's at least "real" in the sense as the one that feds have had and are leaking to the media (versus the forgery ppl were talking about the past day or two).
Ken has good sources and is generally reliable, plus this echoes stuff that's been said by the outlets selectively leaking bits.
If you want to assume it's fed, that's on you (i'm ambivalent if this is a patsy situation or not myself), but this is the "manifesto" in the sense of the thing that is alleged to have been on him. I trust Ken that far at least.
Edit : Sorry , did read it wrong
the Super escapist went , dressed with his murder cloths and with his murder Weapon, into the Mc donald, he also Wrote a Manifest that explainse the lack of evidence on his computer , and in which he thanked us the cops ,as Cops are Awsome! , for their valuable service to the community"
"Also feds I actually think you're super cool and I bet you all fuck a lot especially Jerry Smith, who is employed in the public relations department of the FBI he looks like he has a monster dong"
By the way this was not written by Jerry Smith I just think he's a super cool guy and Lisa in accounting would be stupid for not going out with him.
I've been saying since yesterday that I don't believe he's the real shooter. This is all far too convenient lol and he looks fuck all like the guy(s) in the CCTV footage to me.
if I hadn't seen his Twitter already Id have a hard time believing you could get to the point of gunning down a CEO and still respect the fedsTo the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.
His family deaths and his own surgery give him a personal experience with the insurance issues that have probably driven this. I can see "the feds are good" and "I despise and want to kill health insurance CEOs" co-existing if you haven't read other theory. The main principle of his radicalisation is his lived experience, not books, so he has all the brain worms but the material conditions have still driven him to this.
If he actually has any time behind bars (i.e. before he is Epsteined), I'd be shocked if he retains his respect for the pigs through it.
because the feds probably wrote it
Wouldn't be the first time they fabricate evidence
So we know he was very much not a liberal (Jreg type of guy, every extreme at once) but it strikes me as a liberal thing to say. Checks and balances, maybe he likes that the feds track down corruption (lol)?
removed at 1312 lol
lol
stay losing.I hope it gets the Streisand Effect
and still can't buy Yahya Sinwar's novel on Amazon (but you can sure find wrecker-printed editions of the communist manifesto with a nazi swastika on the cover)
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if real he cooked with this one “It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”
All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.
Not a manifesto, more a confession letter.
Not a diss, but I think especially with the words on the casings the act was enough of a manifesto.
I'm glad to see that fake one sucking off the constitution as the pinnacle of human rights was fake tho
“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”
New tagline
some elementary social engineering
I'm imagining him calling five or six midtown hotels pretending to want to make changes as Brian Thompson before he hit on one where the desk agent let slip that there was a reservation
EDIT: apparently the CEO was staying in a hotel "across the street", so it may have been the first or second one he called. judging by the map there's really just the Warwick and The Luxury Collection Hotel Manhattan Midtown that's that close by
it seems a little strange to me, before getting caught, to write in a voice where you assume you are already caught instead of addressing the public
I read it as a "if you are reading this I am already dead" kinda vibe.
what is CAD here?
Computer Aided Design. Probably for 3D printing the gun parts
Its software he used to print his gun probably
I wondered that too. Computer Aided Drafting or Design? Huh?
Oh, wait a second, it just clicked! He's probably referring to using CAD for 3D printing the gun!
I'd guess this is reference to the gun? However, it's possible there's some other usage I'm unaware of? Is the acronym Computer Aided Design?
"manifesto" is kinda overselling it
That's why they didn't want to release it. It's not a manifesto at all, its a note if anything.
He gave Ted's one a 4/5 like he has critique and room for improvement, and then he comes out with this, a 3/5 at best
That's generous
I’ve obtained a copy of suspected killer Luigi Mangione’s manifesto — the real one, not the forgery circulating online. Major media outlets are also in possession of the document but have refused to publish it and not even articulated a reason why. My queries to The New York Times, CNN and ABC to explain their rationale for withholding the manifesto, while gladly quoting from it selectively, have not been answered.
What rationale do the stenographers of power need other than they are owned and operated by the same parasites who own and operate UHC and the other mass murdering machines including the government?
Can't wait for Ken's followup, it's gonna be juicy.
He talking about George Moore or Thomas Moore?
And he’s talking about David Rosenthal, yeah?
Either way, this kid is weird. lol. Good on him for doing a solid at least.
My assumption was he was referencing Michael Moore’s Sicko.
I thought it was Michael Moore as well
He talking about George Moore or Thomas Moore?
Its Alan
Mangione was likely referring to filmmaker Michael Moore, a staunch critic of the U.S. health care system who made the 2007 documentary Sicko, and Elizabeth Rosenthal, who wrote the 2017 book An American Sickness: How Healthcare Became Big Business and How You Can Take It Back.
what does "manifesto" mean these days?
Something a criminal wrote to be put out as a press release that the press will only coyly allude to, rather than publish.
He was literally just posting on Twitter how he wasn’t gonna post it cuz he thought it was fake
He was talking about the fake manifesto, and he distinguishes between that and what he's publishing now:
I’ve obtained a copy of suspected killer Luigi Mangione’s manifesto — the real one, not the forgery circulating online.
Other reporters think that what Ken has published is authentic, as well.
There's no banger of a quote in here we can use, unlike "The Industrial Revolution and its Consequences".
The one about being the first to be brutally honest is pretty good
"Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."
Goes pretty hard
Oswald as a lone gunman was more believable than this claptrap. Obvious fall guy.
No, no; he was into Amogus, not Fall Guys
The Klipler
These motherfuckers have no sense. He saw the outcry he was getting on every social media ever, right? Every news outlet ever? My ass would start an onlyfans IMMEDIATELY. Why bother putting anything else into the note??? I'd get on cameo, tiktok, youtube, twitch. I'd go full hawk tuah and make adjustor coin. 8 figure contract on Kick. Box against Jake Paul. Get a fucking lawyer, have them open up the accounts for you, offer bonuses to people who subscribe before you get access to a phone, and become richer than the guy you murked by time they let you out.
"Yeah chat I fucking hate those parasites. But if you could check real quick if you have a prime subscription that'd be awesome. Yeah, I'll DM Mizkif and see if I can get into his WoW guild. Go ahead and clip this and show it to him"
Clearly not a leftist if he's cutting it down to that length.
Ken Klippenstein, I haven't forgiven you for mocking Raisi's death and chauvinists like you are part of why Palestine and Syria are currently full of atrocities and einsatzgruppen shit
God, now it almost feels like the timing of this is to eclipse the Syrian atrocities.
The media is going to say that he was Clearly Very Disturbed
I already heard someone describe him as “possibly having a mental health episode, perhaps a psychotic break” on the radio
A guy arrested for a high profile murder of a CEO is seeming stressed in police custody? Clearly a suicide risk, probably gonna stab himself right through the back, I bet.
Well that was short.
What is CAD
Computer Aided Design. Basically he's referring to how he 3d printed the gun and silencer
It’s a type of 3D modelling software used for, among other things, 3D printing.
That makes sense, I know it also from that context but didn't make the 3D printing link
Computer Aided Design. Its what people use to design pretty much everything that exists in the real world, there are lots of subcategories for different uses. Architects use CAD to design buildings and bridges, mechanical designers use CAD to design household appliances and other objects, and electrical engineers use CAD to design circuit boards and silicon chips. In this case he is likely talking about using CAD software to design the gun that he 3d printed, this would have let him make shapes in 3d before sending them to a 3d printer.
Archive link:
https://archive.is/k2hHh
Even if this is all bullshit fed activity to trick people into thinking they found the right guy I'm gonna suggest that that stop releasing shit to the media that makes this guy look good and based every time someone tries to say "uhhhh guys he's a lib"
Even if this is all bullshit removed activity to trick people into thinking they found the right guy
On hexbear that word is censored, its a slang word for the CIA that starts with G(I thought anyway), I didn't know it was problematic does anyone know why it's on the list? I'd love to know but also will not bother to google it
