62% of Americans agree US government should ensure everyone has health coverage

too fuckin' many, and how many sat this one out?

Could be 0, most people didn't bother to vote in the last election.

let insurance companies deny even harder

Sooner death for insurance companies

Why does the quality of my health care and my quality of life have to depend on who I work for and what insurance companies they choose to work with?

Because Nixon was in bed with big business, then Ford fumbled the gas crisis, and finally Carter naively trusted Congress to transition from employee mandates to single payer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_health_care_reform_in_the_United_States

Aside from agreeing with you. Question. Why didn't cobra apply? I would have thought it could. And did you have an option to pay the full cost of coverage out of pocket for any length of time? Not that any of this should matter, just curious in case I, or anyone I know, ends up in the same situation.

The other 38% are either young and healthy enough to have never have had to deal with the healthcare industry or are just so staunchly individualistic they’d rather die than let someone else get a ‘handout’. ‘Taxes are theft’, ‘why should MY money go to blah’, me me me. Lack of empathy and/or a very naïve understanding of what society is actually for.

Red state here - the biggest argument I hear all the time is that if we get public healthcare the care quality will go down and we will have to wait 8 hrs to get seen for a heart attack. They point to Canada's system and say most Canadians wish they had our system. So the answer, as always, is brainwashing.

i say this as a huge supporter of single payer but also as a trans person.

in an ideal world, a national health system is great but then you also look at places like the uk where wait times for gender affirming care are up to four years and both puberty blockers are on the verge of being banned by the left of centre party.

Temporarily embarrassed CEOs

TIL 38% of Americans are CEO’s and/or bootlickers.

FTFY

38% are the, I never have to go to the doctor. I never get sick. Until one day, they realize what an absolute nightmare the healthcare system is. 38% are probably the percentage that have had use for anything other than doctors visits.

I vote blue out of harm reduction, but don't kid yourself.

The single greatest acheivement Democrats crow about was a healthcare band-aid originally conceived by the Heritage Foundation and instituted by a Republican governor designed to further enshrine private, for profit insurers like United Healthcare cut in as the entire point.

When the people screamed "Help us left wing from this for profit deathcare hell! Here's a supermajority!" they protected the profit motive in what gets covered and declared victory.

They can make excuses, there's always several, but as the decades go by and nothing changes, advocating patience starts to sound like "well just be patient, maybe my nepo great grandkids will magically decide to start being civil and equitable with your peasant great grandkids, lol."

Rioting, violence, maybe a war, who knows, societal collapse? It's all extremely interesting if not insanely frightening.

There's tons in store for us over the next little while.

Here's hoping the raving gangs of warlords that inherit the earth have a Morpheus type figure among them who is benevolent.

Bernie Sanders tried but did not get enough votes when he ran for president because the government paying for your healthcare is apparently bad for some reason.

Might is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence.

Candidates*

Real change will come from house and senate.

And a lot of people who want healthcare didn't bother voting.

Your inactions have consequences.

The average American is stupid and thus easily confused. Hell, half of us read at a 6th grade level...

Only 23% of people living in the USA voted for Trump

That is 65% more than the percentage of people that, according to this post, dont want health coverage for everyone

What about unaffordable healthcare only available to the top 1% -- project 2025

The coverage the fire department provides is affordable. And my Library. And my streets. And the storm water system. And K-12.

That's a single payer health system. Government pays the health providers You pay the government through taxes.

America just voted to allow Ramaswamy and Elon to cut government by 75%. This will absolutely include healthcare. What will happen to that 75% that was under government? It will go to the private sector obviously. Now they can can become even richer. Holy shit Ramaswamy is like a real life Shooter McGavin

That’s the point of free at point of use health care.

Apologies if I’m preaching to the choir.

They have some form of decent coverage through work and no one in their personal sphere is overly sick to the point of causing them pain. They wish to block others from getting adequate access least they lose some advantage over them. They're squarely in the F U I have mine camp. Of course as soon as something happens and theirs isn't good enough, they'll have a change of heart, while everyone else still in their camp holds them down.

Too late now.

Replace First-past-the-post voting with a more representative electoral system and the people will at least have the chance to vote intelligently.

It's because they don't understand how the system works. Most people I know who are against it always go straight to "how could we pay for it". Not understanding that countries that do it work directly with the manufacturers of the medicine and hospitals so they get much better rates. 2022 showed 6500 per person for full coverage in Canada. 12,500 per person in the U.S.... with no coverage for the most part.

We know some Republican candidates know this as well, which is why Desantis promised lower health care costs in Florida by cutting a deal with Canada to import their lower cost drugs by trying to skirt buying them from the companies the are giving tax breaks to and not addressing.

Years later... No drugs have been shipped from Canada and no deals were settled because Canada doesn't want to ship their drugs to Florida and have shortages.

Much like an insurance company can say, I'm only going to pay $150 for that MRI instead of the $1,600 quoted, the government can do the same, and instead of lining the pockets of middlemen, it comes back as savings to the people. In general I believe I saw if we implemented a plan like Canadas, the average American would save 20% on their income taxes, and have full coverage. Meaning no longer having co-pays, deductibles, out of network doctors, etc. etc.

To me it just says, if you want further specialists outside of the ones provided, you can pay for them just like you do now. And the government could pitch in only the cost that they would pay towards a standard patient procedure.

Remember Biden beat Medicare. Democrats have never been serious about universal healthcare. Your choices in the US are “lip service” or “burn everything down”

That is why universal healthcare risk pools need to start at the state level. The goal needs to be to lock out the subsidization of those who are voting for predatory policies. This accomplishes a few important things.

• It will systemically punish Republican voters in Republican led states.
• Over time it will (in theory) massively shift the public consciousness in those areas around how badly they are getting fucked.
• It removes the necessity of reliance on a federal change in order to begin the process of legislative reform.

This is obviously not a perfect solution, but I don't see this happening in any other way. There is roughly a (0%) chance we see universal healthcare implemented at the national level first.

38% probably on Medicare/Medicaid

lol was gonna say the same based on this headline

Show me where Kamala or the DNC were promoting Medicare for all (or any improvements to healthcare for that matter) in this election cycle? And don’t say negotiating prices on 10 more prescription drugs or I’ll know you’re completely unserious.

Historically we can change zero big things at a time. But I agree with you. Our rate of change has got to change. (Mathematics/physics joke goes here.)

But what about the donors?

Some of Tim Walz's largest donors are health insurance and professionals. They have financial incentives to keep the status quo. With Democrats like this, who needs Republicans?

They wouldn't control shit without half that 62% sitting at home, implicitly supporting it with their inaction.

It's not like Democrats were even talking about it. Joe made one drug cheaper. Those baby steps weren't enough. Maybe we need to keep sending this message to Democrats. If they would campaign on Medicare for all and stop trying to take guns out of the hands of the working class, they would get several of my family members to vote their way.

Would be amazing if the shot UHC guy was the dam that was stopping the USA public suffering a whole world of shit, wouldn’t it? He probably wasn’t like…

'Black people will exploit it'

Ultimately, what it comes down to is that white racist are worried about black people having an easier time will enable them to get a leg up on white people.

Everyone needs healthcare, so it’s a perfect opportunity for grifting and crony capitalism.

Also, cruelty.

America is a cult of suffering. If you aren't suffering you're either freeloading or not working enough. Everyone is responsible for them selves, and so "paying for someone else's healthcare" is an absolute no go.

So, the other arguments given here are disingenuous. The real argument that would be made (not by me) is that they don't trust the government to run something as important as health care. They think the government would be more wasteful and capricious in its decisions than the current system. They've been convinced that nationalized health care systems are simply worse.

They want people to die.

I think part of the problem with that argument is that only a small percentage of Dems want real coverage and the rest want status quo insurance crap- and this coming from someone who did vote.

I still remember when ACA happened. The smart people who wanted single payer or similar were shunned out the room. If I was a slightly stupider or slightly more vengeful men, I too might have gotten disengaged from the political system.

They want obamacare gone, but they like their affordable care act.

He said I didn’t understand insurance.

Reminds me of fiscal conservatives that would always lecture people on economics, while not having even the slightest understanding of how it works.

They’re paying more to have private health care.

So this would be an effective method of turning out independents to vote?

Yeah, we are gonna be mere “poll numbers” forever and nothing will be done.

Before the ACA passed, each and every time I brought up the need to change the system in online forums, somebody would tell me it will never happen. In those days there was no way to get insurance if you had preexisting conditions without working for a corporation.

Uh.. Not really