The EU proposal to scan all your WhatsApp chats is back on the agenda
The controversial CSAM scanning plan keeps coming back
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/22814154
Literally on the heels of the revelation that China is spying on all chats and phone calls, these clowns still think back doors are safe in any way.
I swear, humanity is simply failing the IQ test here.
Google "TSA-Approved Locks"
This is the same stupid thing, but digital.
What we need are laws to prevent this kind of court trolling because courts all over europe are wasting time and money on these repeated proposals. Politicians should be held accountable for wasting everyone's time.
I thought a lot about fair government and such when I was 16-17.
And it came down to any such action being individual, thus having an initiator, who is the responsible person, or a group of such.
And such laws, when not passing through courts, should require a huge payment (should be tied to total GDP, I think), equally split among members of that group (so a group does not become an entity).
No person from among them can initiate anything such until having paid the previous.
It seems logical, I mean. If something IRL is being overloaded, it should just be a paid service. Same here.
Should be expensive enough so to not be an acceptable cost of doing business for a corrupt politician.
Also the cost should depend on which tier of laws this is - suppose regulation of milk products is lower tier than total fscking surveillance.
Also the court should be able to determine whether a rejected initiative is a repetition, in which case the cost will be, say, order x 12 x "last year's GDP" x coefficient x tier.
It's ridiculous that lawmaking is free, with the amount of value it redistributes.
If y'all wanna know why is this stupid
Take a look at the so-called "TSA-Approved Locks"
The locks that lets TSA have a "special key" to unlock your bags to search then without cutting it open.
The same "special key" is available to buy on amazon.
🤣
It's even worse than no locks, since someone could plant drugs in your bag using the "special key", and since there's no evidence of tampering, and the bag is also locked, the blame falls on you.
Oh no you don't understand, with this legislation bad actors and foreign intelligence would not be allowed to use these back doors. So they can't do it because it's illegal. That's why it's 100% safe. I mean don't you trust the it competence of 60+ year old law makers?
OK I will stop now
For anyone else who's curious about the history I actually went and looked this up. Photos of the keys were accidentally leaked on the Travel Sentry website. This made it very easy to copy. The website says "Sensitive Information – do not post, copy or disseminate". Clearly someone elected to do the opposite.
Do I seriously need to put always on cameras in my luggage?
If your bag has an exposed zipper, then a malicious actor doesn't need to pick your lock, they can just get through the zipper with a pen usually, and they can still zip it up after.
wow, a lock that decreases your security
Even worse btw, you can 3d print the tsa master keys. I have them printed, and confirmed them working.
Tsa knows about this, and they have publicly said they dont care
Where I am, we have "Post Office approved" locks, cam locks for your post box that can be opened with your key plus a special key that the postie has, in case they have a parcel that won't go in the slot.
Yes, you can get one of the special keys if you know where to look
No, it isn't a problem because we're not a bunch of fucking savages 😂
Yea, a mailbox near your house all the time is not the same as a luggage that to through MILLIONS of people in a busy airport. Only take one scum out of a million to ruin it.
Fun fact: I never actually had a porch pirate. Well other than a neighbor's kid being a dipshit (or maybe mistaken it to be their package, who knows), but that eventually got returned, and one time, the delivery driver kinda stole it before it ever arrived on the porch, so it was not technically porch theft. Reported that one and got refunded.
Like never a random dude (or gal) that just walked up and grabbed a package. Like never!
This metaphor is so bad. You expect people on the internet to act like good neighbours?
Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Combat_Child_Sexual_Abuse
How your representatives in EU parliament voted: https://mepwatch.eu/9/vote.html?v=134463&country=fr%7Cde
Looks like it's mostly german representatives that block it. They remember the stasi.
It was the one good thing the german liberal party FDP was good for, but they aimed to destroy the coalition from the inside (literally! they made plans and discussion meetings when the best time to destroy it would be). And now they are out and we have the SPD and the Greens left. So one party who really has a hard on for surveillance and the other one who is undecided.
In all seriousness, the EU has become beyond frustrating in so many ways... Kudos for fighting against corporate monoliths, but... c'moon!
I don't think you get the EU. It's a democracy and everyone can submit proposals.
This is a proposal from pro-Russian Orban from Hungary, and not EU's opinion.
I see your point, although I still can't shake the impression that the entire EU's shifting away from its potential of being the best example. Sure, it's down to individual people with individual views, but we're still to see if it's greater than the sum of its parts, to be honest...
Don't get me wrong, I'd still rather we have the EU than not have it, but I'd wish to see a lot more reasonable and rational minds on the council and have it be felt throughout its policies.
It's a democracy where the European Commission (which is actually the main governing body of the EU and not EP) is comprised of people put there by bureaucracies.
I don't think you get the EU. It's a failed attempt at powerful democratic version of USSR, that has been retconned into a successful confederacy, only it's not that too.
Here we go again Good old Child abuse.
Is this a Brexit benefit?
To answer seriously: unfortunately, the UK is one step ahead with the Online Safety Act. They've already given Ofcom the power to enforce client-side scanning. Ofcom themselves are deciding whether they want to use this power yet and this should happen sometime next year.
You shouldn't be using whatsapp anyway.
First they came for whatsapp. I didn't say anything because I don't use whattsapp.
And instead use what? Signal? And then chat with the zero other people who use it?
Telling europeans to not use whatsapp is like telling people not to use the power grid. It's more popular here than iMessages are in the US.
I'm European using signal, I frequent in two countries very often (not neighbouring countries) and for the past two years I've noticed more and more people using signal.
Ditched whatsapp half a year ago and haven't had problems. Some friends use both signal and whatsapp.
Not saying many in whole Europe use signal but it certainly is not only popular in US.
Edit: but not saying using signal will change anything if this bill passes. No matter what popular app we use we are going to have no privacy at all if this thing passes...
Look, it was discussed for years already and we have a consensus; it's technically and legally not possible without giving you the keys (methaphorically and literally) and we can't give you the keys because that would quickly lead to you abusing the power given to you.
I actually don’t really understand how they would do this. Isn’t WhatsApp end to end by protocol? They’d have to share messages at the client side. What a mess.
They want to force WhatsApp to scan your private messages on your device.
End-to-end encryption is worthless, when it's done by a company like meta in a closed source project.
If you own the client, you own the message, agreed.
End to end encrypted with keys stored on Meta's servers.
Just kidding but I'm sure there's a backdoor somewhere.
I use signal but I always kind of wanted to switch people to threema but in reality it's hard enough getting them to install signal.
Threema really doesn't do a good job of making it easy to switch. For the regular user there is too much that can go wrong and its too easy to lose your chats when migrating to a new phone
And its fucking back again
