How was this a surprise?
How was this a surprise?
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"I can't believe known liar Donald Trump would lie to us! I can't even imagine how a liar who lies about everything would lie!? It's unimaginable!"
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What you just said is a lie because Trump never lies, liar!
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“It’s insane to think a convicted fraud would lie, right?”
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He's been vocal about blocking this deal for a while now. What lie are you talking about? Even Biden and Harris expressed interest in blocking it.
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Leopards are going to be obese
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That's how we stop them ... let the leopards eat so many faces that they get big and fat and can't eat any more faces.
Only problem is, they've been eating faces for thousands of years and they're still not full :(
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Like the kill bots? Throw people at them until they hit their pre defined killing limit so they shut down. I like the cut of your jib.
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I've said this before and I'll say it again. Their racism ties are stronger than their union ties.
They voted for him for their prejudices, not for their workers rights.
They're going to get the racism they wanted, they just thought he'd also support their unions. They're upset they can't get both things, but they won't trade their racism for union support, even now. They want both, but if they can have only one, it's racism. They'll just bitch about this.
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You realize the union is against this acquisition? If this sale goes through, US Steel executives get a windfall and union members, without any protections, get to look for another job. Trump, Biden, and Harris all campaigned against it.
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Union leaders at the Irvin Works in West Mifflin say 95% of their members are in favor of the Nippon merger, and many of them were at the Trump rally in Pittsburgh one day before the election.
The union leaders say they were initially skeptical of the deal, but support grew after they met with Nippon executives who visited the area during the summer. Nippon pledged to spend $1 billion to upgrade the 86-year-old hot strip mill at Irvin.
https://www.wtae.com/article/us-steel-nippon-trump-steelworkers/63085379
Says the steelworkers union organization officially opposes it, so sounds like the union leadership is split but the workers support it.
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If tariffs are increased and migration reduced, there is a good chance the working class will get more economic power long term. The inflation will sky rocket, but so may blue collar salaries. I believe that's i big reason why Trump won. Sometimes the gut or common sense triumphs the neoliberal dogma.
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I doubt salaries will skyrocket, sure there will be more people being hired to meet domestic demand increasing but I doubt that companies will actually pay more to their employees. And even if they do I can't imagine that it will be a significant increase when taking into account the inflation that will be caused.
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Could you better explain this cause-effect relationship between higher tariffs coupled with reduced migration and increased blue-collar salaries?
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Trump has been saying he was going to block this deal since early in his campaign. The Biden Administration was / is going to block it as well. The United Steelworkers Union has publicly said that it wants it blocked.
So WTF is all of this hubbub about? What's happening here is absolutely no surprise at all.
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Trump said something and then proceeds to actually do it?
I would be surprised too.
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Okay I snorted out loud at that one. That WOULD be a surprise!
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Donald trump may be the president with the most amount of follow-through, it just Depends on how it's measured.
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These are not well-informed people.
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"the scorpion won't sting me, or he would surely drown as well. What healthy, rational animal would want to destroy itself?" - frog
"They're eating the cats and dogs, fuck paying overtime, and white ethnostate nationalists are my friends" - brainrot scorpion
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Man, that geriatric orange pervert sure does act like a healthcare CEO...
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You don't want Vance at the helm. Trump can be distracted by rattling keys, Vance is as sharp as a tack.
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It's not like US citizens lack ammo to do it twice
Not condoning violence though
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It's funny how I've seen this EXACT comment weeks ago.
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This is shit propaganda and most of you are eating it up. The union didn't want this deal either. Harris and Biden also pledged to block it. Just yesterday, the union released a statement thanking Trump for reiterating his support:
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Not exactly. Everything you said is true, but the post is also true. The union does support the blocking of this deal at the national level. But some local workers and officials support the deal.
Trump upsets local union leaders by opposing U.S. Steel-Nippon deal https://triblive.com/news/politics-election/gut-punch-trump-upsets-local-union-leaders-by-opposing-us-steel-nippon-deal/
Trump promised to block the sale of U.S. Steel. What does that mean for the Pittsburgh area? https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/trump-us-steel-sale-pittsburgh-impact/
Steelworkers Feel 'Gut Punch' as Trump Plans to Block Takeover https://www.newsweek.com/pennsylvania-steelworkers-donald-trump-plans-block-us-steel-nippon-merger-1995300
Trump vows to block U.S. Steel's takeover by Japan's Nippon Steel https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-to-block-us-steel-nippon-steel-acquisition/
Trump vows to block Nippon Steel's purchase of U.S. Steel https://finance-commerce.com/2024/12/trump-vows-to-block-nippon-steels-purchase-of-u-s-steel/
Trump vows to block Japanese steelmaker from buying US Steel, pledges tax incentives and tariffs https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trump-vows-block-japanese-steelmaker-buying-us-steel-116416311
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No, this post isn't true. It immediately claims "they fell for the con," implying that these union members voted for Trump thinking he would back the deal and were betrayed. However, Trump, Biden, and Harris all have been consistently against this acquisition. Even four of your linked articles use the term "reiterated" when describing Trump's stance. This is something he campaigned on. Nobody "fell for a con." Sure, a few union members may have disagreed; however, if they thought any of the two-party candidates were going to allow this, they were delusional.
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ROFL All his lies are clearly available online; the fuck around and find out phase is going to be epic for all the fools that actually believed Trump. I'm admittedly terrified for those who are in the marginalized communities, though, because this will likely be a presidency that erodes a lot of protections for those that racists and bigots hate. 😔
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Leopard meet face
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Everyone knew this...
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well, not EVERYONE, obviously.
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Aside from Trump being an awful
liarhuman, he is also evidently Japanophobic. What good logical reason is there to oppose the deal? Japan isn't a rival like China, it is the US's most willing ally. This will hurt more than just union jobs.-
he is also evidently
JapanophobicWith this small correction, everything makes sense
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The leopards are hungry for faces already?
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Lol they're not even the first ones they gnawed on this time, not to mention last time. People are so goddamn short sighted, I've lost the last shred of faith I had in my fellow Americans.
And the worst part? The dumbest part? Multiple large blocs of voters voted for him for different stupid reasons. Again.
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I never thought they'd eat MY face
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4 more years of the dumbest sheep of all time complaining about the wolf they just worshipped like a god, while the entire time he told them he was going to fuck their lives up so hard the moment he got the chance.
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honestly I have to agree with this. I don't agree with a lot of things he wants to do, but directly outsourcing more industries out of the US isn't helpful to the US. Costs stay up since it rarely leads to prices going down once they are up. it just moves out of country/makes us more dependant on others
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This is one of the issues both parties agreed on. Trump, Biden, and Harris all pledged to block the deal and the union was against it too. OP should be ashamed of posting this.
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Allegheny county voted overwhelmingly for the democratic candidate...
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Bootlickers get booted.
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Morons.
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Good, hope it knocked the wind right out of them.
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Yeah about that ...
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I’m out of the loop, so what’s the big deal with this? What kind of promise does that break?
If he wants to keep American companies in American hands, isn’t this exactly the kind of thing he should be doing? Still probably not the smartest thing to do but, isn’t this kind of period of isolationism exactly what he has promised.
On the other hand, I recall hearing something about him protecting American jobs, but these two goals are in conflict here. Either you fund your industry yourself or accept foreign investments. If the former isn’t possible, then the latter remains the obvious choice.
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This particular deal is a good thing for the country. Metals production is incredibly capital intensive and margins on products are low (this is base production, not the high value-add specialty alloys). That means the business needs to spend billions to make millions in net profit.
This is exactly the kind of business that the American investor class lost patience with in the era of globalization, and even further with the rise of big tech - where it becomes possible to bootstrap billion-dollar businesses with millions in starting capital. Capital flight from manufacturing, and businesses with similar capex/opex/margin profiles has gutted the US manufacturing base and only a dwindling number of legacy players even operate - new entrants can't get investment and either set up overseas or just never advance past the planning stage.
The end result for US Steel has been decades of mismanagement and cost-cutting that have left the US without competitive base metals production - funds that should have been spent on R&D instead went to shareholders. This mismanagement has caught up to the business and it is now producing products of inferior quality and at higher prices than overseas suppliers who haven't spent the last 3 decades avoiding investment in their own business. The 'Buy American' provisions and metals tariffs are basically the only reason it hasn't folded already.
Enter Nippon Steel, a company very used to operating in an environment with expensive energy, labor, and inputs. It wants to buy the US Steel assets (read steel plants and workers) and operate them as an independent subsidiary in order to gain more of foothold in the American market and be eligible for US defense contracts. This capital infusion is desperately needed as the current owners of the business have underinvested since the 80s. Somehow, this story gets twisted into some nativist drivel, and now the US gov is set in blocking the deal to score political points with the uninformed. What this means is we'll be giving US Steel a taxpayer bailout in a few years, or it will go bankrupt, or the ghouls in charge will change their entire outlook and begin to treat it like a business to be managed and not a money sponge to be squeezed...
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Thanks for the explanation. That clarifies things.
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Maybe the deal from Nippon steel was good and included protections for their positions or something? Maybe the other offers were bad and would have resulted in job cuts etc.? That's all I can imagine.
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The union has been against this deal and even thanked Trump for his support yesterday: https://m.usw.org/news/media-center/releases/2024/usw-welcomes-trumps-opposition-to-u-s-steel-nippon-deal
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The liar lied? No way! 😮
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Oh well 🤷
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HAHAHA Get fucked
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Oh no! The stupid workers don't know what's good for them!
This thread is a perfect example of how the left lost touch with the working class and normal people in general.
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The left did not lose touch with the working class. The left is what started and continue this populist movement.(Bernie Sanders in the 2016 election cycle; AOC; and the socialist/communist parties that go out and encourage organization to fight for worker rights)
Trump (a billionaire who spent his career exploiting workers) acted like he was picking up the baton to fight for worker rights after he saw people's reaction to Bernie Sanders losing the primary against Clinton. Unfortunately, workers like these in the steel industry WERE tricked into thinking that Donald was gonna support their professional cause, this is objective. Now many people are calling them stupid because to many other Americans, this was the obvious outcome due to Donald's track record both as a businessman and as President. For some reason, these steel workers were blind to it all...
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Lead poisoning is the culprit. The right is full of mentally retarded zombies. The majority of PEOPLE are working class. Nearly 50%, as is the case in most US elections, voted for the democratic candidates. STFU troglodyte.
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You don't have lead poisoning. But, you're implying that voting is a means of change and that Democrats represent the working class. Perhaps it's not lead, instead idiocy.
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Meds bro.
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“They fell for the con” seems harsh and inaccurate.
Everyone knew Trump was lying with his promises. But Dems couldn’t even be bothered to offer empty promises. If your only options are someone who openly doesn’t give a shit about you, or someone who pretends to (even though they’re probably lying), you’re better off taking a chance on the lie.
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Except they had some coherent and sound policy? A lot if it is way too status quo or populist when that clearly isnt working.
Trump has some sound policy too (as much as Lemmy would hate to admit it), but its also filled with obvious leapord face eating proposals, even if you 100% believe him.
And its not like he hasn't been president already, albeit much more restrained before.
Thats the most baffling thing about Trump support to me... There's this hope, this fantasy he's the change we need when we have no other choice, when that is absolutely not true if you look at his cabinet, history, and policy. He's a grifter even if you look at hus history before politics. Why does he get the benefit of the doubt?
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Wile not “both sides” as one side is obviously worse, the democrats did actively work against unions during Biden’s presidency. And sure Biden made talk about passing PRO, which he failed to do, but he also forced terms on the rail unions, and made it illegal for them to strike, and thus making the rail union forever powerless to fight for its members, and dooming it to obsolescence
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You're right critical thinking is hard for people, but it's still a con and they still fell for it.
If you know the political process is filled with liars and your only options is someone that doesn't want to make overblown statements that are clearly lies and someone that does lie (you know this because of his past lies) then you should have picked the person that lies the least.
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Not necessarily. They didn’t need to believe it in order to consider it the least bad option.
Dems are still riding with the Clinton “basket of deplorables” failed strategy. They openly and outwardly despise any voters that aren’t white collar liberals. And y’all have the gall to criticize these people for not jumping onboard with a party who proudly hates them. Unbelievably obtuse.
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Yep. The libs here just don't have a clue. Probably because they only want idealism, when they should study materialism and evolutionary game theory. Or human nature in general.
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