Kate Nash and Lily Allen on OnlyFans should be a wake-up call for the music industry

Those days are over sadly. Ticketing and venues are largely consolidated now.

It makes me sad that all the profits get vacuumed up by everybody but the artist.

The average worker experience

Touring has always been a boondoggle. Artists could make bank if they were selling out shows, but the baseline venue prices have skyrocketed out of reach for most fans. The producers, promoters, engineers, technicians, roadies, not to mention lodging, travel, and food, a lot of people expect to be paid before the artist makes a dime.

It's why I make it a point to buy merch when I see a band I like on tour. They probably earn more from it than the actual tour itself.

I've played many shows for free after several hours driving (with gas I paid for), US's music scene is set up to fail

I was under the impression that while streaming was garbage for money that touring was the cash cow. Apparently it’s a loss for these artists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJSp-yRMrsY

why you do this - a self documentary from car bomb on why people still make music/tour despite monetary hardship.

There are tech death musicians out there that give some classical composers a run for their money that still have day jobs, mostly in computer programming of some kind.

(side note : turns out that technical death metal appeals to the same kind of people that enjoy working on applied mathematics. who could have guessed)

Back during the Napster days, Howard Stern had the Foo Fighters on. He asked them what their thought of the whole Napster vs. Metallica legal debate.

Dave Grohl told him he was 100 percent for Napster, explaining that they barely made a dime from record sales, and instead made the bulk of their money from touring and t-shirt sales. And that very few musicians were in the same boat as Metallica, actually making money from their album sales.

So from that point of view, the more people who were exposed to their music meant the more folks who might want to go see them in concert.

Movie industry as well. People with the money don't care about the product as long as it makes them more money.

Or if they do care, they interfere with the artist's vision to put in their own thoughts when they have no education or experience in filmmaking.

Then we end up getting the Emoji movie in theaters.

Right before MP3's, record labels treated a lot of their albums as products to sell. This required a marketing budget to go along with it including a lot of promotional material like music videos and concert tours for promotional purposes. The drop in revenue due to MP3's killed that model and it never returned.

Concert tickets are so expensive because record labels took control of that part of the revenue stream to find their promotion/marketing business. And promotion is no longer a small activity run by a band's groupies. The reason that Trent Reznor signed with a new label after he went independent was because he wasn't able to compete with the marketing arms of these companies.

I fear this is happening to every industry

That “fuck it” era is Reaganism. Every industry did the exact same thing at that time.

there’s no one in any seat of real power in the “music industry” who is a musician.

That's not strictly true. A number of popular musicians started their own labels and cultivated their own talent. Dr. Dre, Hay-Z and Beyonce, Snoop Dog, NIN, The Beetles and Rolling Stones, Eminem, Madonna, Mackelmoore...

What's really changed over time is distribution. Digital music has huge margins, but prying them out of the near monopoly of Spotify and YouTube is much harder than simply selling CD/Vinyl copies of your songs at your shows

Ouch, just like video game industry :-/

At this point, there's no one at the wheel at all. It's all algorithms.

Ya. They don't care.
And now they got a permission to not do anything at all as artists can make money from side hustles.

We as a alsociety failing to fight the predatory business models.

Lily Allen, who started selling pictures of her feet on OnlyFans over summer. She had the idea after seeing that her feet had a perfect five star rating on WikiFeet, a photo-sharing foot fetish website. Subscribers pay £8 a month to access her posts. In October, Allen claimed that shots of her well-pedicured trotters were earning her more money than Spotify streams – and that’s saying something, considering Allen has over 7 million monthly listeners and more than a billion streams on her top three songs.

Feet pics apparently.

It looks like it's just crazy foot people and she's not actually exposing anything lol.

To be fair, artists are one of the original intended uses for OnlyFans. While it is sexually focused now, that's more a side effect of it being one of the very few creators subscription sites at the time it started up.

I think adults should be able to sign whatever contract they want.

Kinda sounds like a reason some people might try to preserve or widen a gender pay gap. If they can't keep women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, this is their next best thing.

Her 2018 album hit #8 in 3 different countries 🤷‍♂️ that's neither a decade nor anything remotely akin to failure.

It's the smaller artists I feel for.

I don't really think she "has" to, at all. I think she saw an opportunity to make extra money and took it.

Ah they posting adult content? I didn't read the article and I thought they were using OF for their music.

Lily Allen is not doing it to talk about how bad it is for her, she's doing it to show how bad it is for musicians in general. No one is going to even pay attention unless a successful musician does this.