4mo ago

just three women have died and 50783 babies have been saved by Texas' abortion law. A damn good trade if you ask me.

www.propublica.org

A Third Woman Died Under Texas’ Abortion Ban. Doctors Are Avoiding D&Cs and Reaching for Riskier Miscarriage Treatments.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductive-health/data-statistics/abortion-surveillance-findings-reports.html for the abortion numbers.

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4mo ago

A Third Woman Died Under Texas’ Abortion Ban. Doctors Are Avoiding D&Cs and Reaching for Riskier Miscarriage Treatments.

www.propublica.org /article/porsha-ngumezi-miscarriage-death-texas-abortion-ban

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4mo ago

A third woman died under Texas’ abortion ban. Doctors are avoiding D&Cs and reaching for riskier miscarriage treatments.

www.propublica.org /article/porsha-ngumezi-miscarriage-death-texas-abortion-ban

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4mo ago

A Third Woman Died Under Texas’ Abortion Ban. Doctors Are Avoiding D&Cs and Reaching for Riskier Miscarriage Treatments.

www.propublica.org /article/porsha-ngumezi-miscarriage-death-texas-abortion-ban

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Probably good that nobody asks you
- Why are you in this com?
  
  To fight against your misleading propaganda.
  Do these children live in happy, healthy homes?
  ...or are they resented every day by their parents that were forced to have them, slowly building up childhood trauma that, by all studies on the topic, will never be resolved and will always plague them?
  ...or are they forced into the already-overburdened foster system, where children are regularly abused and neglected? Oh, and just to be clear, you're aware that Texas has among the most crowded systems in the country, right?
  Ohhhh sorry, I forgot you're all just pro-birth instead of pro-life.

Heinous to use someone’s tragic image and story beside your headline.
- Also, "just" 3 deaths we know of. If you have read literally anything about abortions pre-Roe, I guarantee you that you're potentially missing at least one and maybe 2 zeros behind that. This also doesn't account for women who have been irreversibly harmed from attempting to access or perform off-the-books abortion care, or those who have to carry to term a child when pregnancy might harm them.
  Also, "only" 3 deaths is still a tragedy. Those people had families. They had friends, coworkers, and lives. At least one of them was literally still a child. Trying to play a numbers game between people dead because of a law and the number of "babies saved" is ghoulish behavior.
  
  So by your hypothetical count with zero support behind it, you could only come up with 300 dead potentially in the absolute worst case scenario vs 50,000 saved. So 49700 lives net.
  Why do you want to kill babies? Are you just an evil person?

Truly disgusting that you think any women dying is acceptable, let alone a "damn good trade".
- Ironic.
- But you're okay with dead babies?
  
  You literally posted a link to a story about a woman who was hoping to see her pregnancy through to the end. This woman didn't want an abortion but I guarantee you she wanted to live. And here you are celebrating her death. That's disgusting.
  I bet you and I agree on a lot of things and about wanting to see less abortions. I think the answer is pretty easy. Better access to sex education. More access to contraceptives and family planning. And laws that don't punish doctors for saving the lives of their patients.

I can't wait for a portion of these 50k babies to be blamed for increase in crime, drug use and poverty.
- Anything to justify murdering them I guess
  
  Do you support the death penalty, or are you too thick to understand the difference between murder and abortion?
  
  It will justify their slave labor in prisons. Shame they're parents had sex without thinking of the consequences.

Oh look another disgusting take on reducing women to bargaining chips while also neglecting to acknowledge that infant mortality is on the rise.
Shame on you OP.
- Oh look, a lefty that supports murdering babies! What could we do without lefties murdering babies?
  
  Completely ignoring the infant mortality rates going up have you? What's the matter? Doesn't fit your narrative?
  
  No babies are murdered.
  It's only considered as a baby once it's born.
  Until then it's a fetus.

You're obviously looking for a reaction by using the phrase "a damn good trade" when referring to dead women. That is very weird.

And all of those babies are in loving caring homes that can afford to take care of them? None of the families were forced to keep them?
- I hear your argument, but I also wonder what percentage of people think back and say, "My childhood wasn't ideal, I wish I had never been born at all."
  
  A lot. Childhood trauma, more often than not, never goes away.
  
  I think that's a poor argument for pretty much the exact same reason. Self preservation is very strong among all living creatures. It doesn't take quality of life or society into consideration.
  If we lived in a utopia, it'd be a better argument. We don't. And forcing those who don't have the financial capacity to take care of someone, to take care of someone, is just going to force them to make terrible decisions in order to survive. You know, because of self preservation. And that's only one potential deficit someone could have. Maybe they don't have the emotional capacity. Maybe they have genetics they don't want to pass along. Maybe the kid will be disabled. Maybe, whatever million other reasons someone could think of.
  Why force someone into a life of hardship from the get go?

I think one of the problems is women who die because they have a miscarriage and can't get medical support. This is something completely avoidable, but the laws are catching these people in the crossfire.
- True, but when you compare the numbers, just 3 women have died. 50783 babies have been saved. So a net of 50780 lives have been saved.
  
  Are you a troll?
  
  Too bad republicans don’t even remotely give a fuck about making sure those babies have decent lives and support after they’re born.

Yet another ignorant fool thinks he knows better than scientific consensus...
Life doesn't begin at conception, you dunce. You can stop say an abortion is equal to "saving babies" anytime now. That is a ridiculous untruth.
- When does "the science" say life begins?
  
  It doesn't. Life is a continuum, it doesn't care what artificial labels we try to put on things. A fertilized egg is just as alive as an unfertilized one, or a sperm cell, by any scientific definition of life, highlights how useless it is to try and use that definition to argue about abortion.

y’all are really doing a lot to further the divide between parties in the US by playing these ridiculous characters.

Well it's literally impossible (without being evil) to argue against the moral principal that killing babies is bad. That's because killing babies is bad.
So according to this new baby accounting morality, the hamas attack on Israel killed only 37 children, 2 of which were babies. So that's good. But according to oxfam, more than 11,000 children were killed by Israeli military in the last year, that's bad. Of course many women were killed also, likely some pregnant ones, that's bad.
According to UNICEF, 2000 children have been killed in Ukraine, that's bad. I can't find any record or report of Ukraininan military killing any Russian children, so that's good.
So I'd like to see as much effort put into reducing the deaths of Palestinian babies and Ukrainian babies instead of encouraging those baby murdering israelis and baby murdering ruzzians.
Edit: Oh, nobody agrees with me? Huh. Maybe it never was about the babies, but about control, subjugation and punishment.
Edit 2: Ah so someone does agree with me. It's pretty clear, from a strictly anti-child-killing standpoint who the good guys and bad guys are: hamas and Ukraine are the good guys, Israel and ruzzia are the bad guys.
Interestingly, abortion has been legal in Israel since 1977, but but under Palestinian law, abortion is illegal. So why support the baby killers and supply bombs to be dropped on the baby protectors?

I'm curious what your relationship with abortion is. Do you know anyone who has had one or even considered one? People aren't waking up and casually deciding "well, I guess I'm going to go kill a baby today!". Every single one is a complex decision weighing the risks and benefits of everyone involved. Ignoring tens of thousands of people suffering through what is one of the most difficult emotional events I can imagine and reducing it to a game of numbers doesn't seem fair.
- OP should have as many kids as possible. What are they waiting for?

Why not a Compromise? A more flexible Abortion Ban, but free Morning after Pill and Condoms. Or highly subsidized BirthControl and Classes with the Topic prevention. Target would be smaller number of Abortion because smaler number of Tennie prec. Please overlook my Bad english.

Wow! I'm honestly surprised to hear that so many lives are being saved to quickly. This is wonderful news!

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