Why do you use firefox?
Why do you use firefox?
cross-posted from: https://feddit.uk/post/2514293
Why do you use firefox?
cross-posted from: https://feddit.uk/post/2514293
The lack of Google/Microsoft enshittification is a huge draw.
Amen, fellow Lemming. It feels good to pull away from an enshittified corporate staple and adopt something that isn't trying to consume your soul.
@jeremysylvis @Vitaly enshittification is brilliant lol
Not chromium based. I think it's important to have alternatives to chromium-based browsers and Google's monopoly.
If Firefox vanishes, I'll use Epiphany instead.
A lot of false equivocating has been made regarding Mozilla and actual surveillance capitalism firms like Google and Microsoft. Mozilla remains, in my mind, the least of all evils with an organization capable of supporting a modern web browser as well as other projects.
Because it's not controlled by the same company that also controls my smartphone OS, my internet search engine, the videos I watch ...
And it works pretty alright.
I remember when Netscape was abandoned and open-sourced as Mozilla, and it was huge and bloated as slow as hell. And out of that came a project to just pull out the browser part of Mozilla and make it super fast and as portable. I remember a series of early alphas, and even the name went through a few evolutions. First it was called Phoenix, then Firebird, briefly, until they realised Firebird was taken and changed it to Firefox. It had this shiny new Gecko rendering engine and its only rival was IE...5?
When I started my first dev job in 2006, Firefox was far and away the best browser to use because it had an extension that no other browser could match: Firebug. Firebug was the precursor to the standard F12 devtools that every browser now has and it was life-changing if you were a web developer. (Try imagine doing your job without it now.)
Then Chrome arrived and it was shiny and W3C compliant (yay!) and you could pull a tab off into a separate window (wow!) and every tab ran as a separate process (neat!) and Google wouldn't be evil for at least another decade. Back then, FF had memory leak problems and that drove a lot of us away.
And then Chrome pulled this ad surveillance shit and I was fucking out. I'm so glad that FF is still here.
I let myself be fully engulfed by the Google/Chrome/Android continuum and it's only recently that I realised just how much of myself I gave away and, while my personal data has long since been propagated to a million servers, I'd still like to try keep some of myself to myself.
My back hurts.
Because it's better.
Because it's open source.
Because it's not based on Chromium and competition is good.
And also because TabStash.
I use Firefox because I can use the full version of UBlock Origin, and UBlock Origin also works on the mobile browser.
I also make heavy use of the extension Multi-Account Containers for signing in with different accounts for the same service at once.
Lastly, I prefer the UI for Firefox over anything else.
Not chromium and Mozilla Foundation
Because not chromium
Because it isn't WebKit.
This is exactly the reason I use Firefox too.
It's the only other option
Because the options are firefox, chrome, or chrome in a moustache and glasses
All of which I use because X thing doesn't work on Y browser
Because I have no other viable option.
It's the only truly free choice for a browser.
I've been using it for 20-ish years and there's never been a major reason to switch, and all the alternatives seem worse.
Also, it's all that stands between Google and the free web at this point.
Because its not chrome and has good extension support (I actually use librewolf)
Me also!
Ad blockers actually work with it and youtube links don't get auto forwarded to the shitty app.
Do any other browsers exist?
Firefox had the best reader view of any browser and looks great in both mobile and desktop.
Also, uBlock
FOSS Not-Chromium based Ublock origin Sane Ctrl+tab
Because it's what my father installed and set as default on all PCs. By the point I had my own and could have made the decision myself, I was just so used to it that I didn't wanna switch.
The ideological conviction came later.
Cause there is no alternative. Google can take my fiery fox from my cold dead hands.
Cause it’s the only non chromium browser left
Apple User quietly steps away
Because IE sucked, Netscape was dead, and I was a contrarian little 20 year old who downloaded this new weird shit called "Firebird" to be different from everyone else which then turned into Firefox and then I just kinda kept using it. But I had tabbed browsing like five years before everyone else thought it was cool.
It's a combination of FireFox being the least shit and the most functional option, really. Still kind of shit by default, so I go for Librewolf. Also I've been using it since Firebird.
Overall the browser market is depressing.
What do you like about Librewolf? I’m kind of sceptical of browsers like that, especially in terms of timely security updates.
Librewolf just gives me more sane defaults. Saves me trouble of having to dig in to about:config and trying to figure out what needs to be changed. Generally its releases follow FireFox in reasonable time. A few updates have messed things up, but it's rare. I guess the big thing is that Librewolf saves me some effort.
Because the fire, and the fox
There are two browsers with sync, and one of them syncs with Google.
I know. I'm that guy. Brave has sync now. They finally fixed it. ¯_/(ツ)/¯
Because Netscape Navigator died.
Because it's the successor to netscape, and I never felt the need to change browsers. Glad I didn't.
Same I never felt I had to change browsers. Firefox was the fastest internet browser. Even though it's not anymore, I use it for the sake of familiarity. But with the change of Firefox's selling point as being the most privacy-friendly, it made it all the more better!
Because it just works
When I realized the trickster fox is somehow more trustworthy than the rest. Also ad blockers.
Edit. Tab based containers has also been pretty cool.
userChrome.css, vertical tabs, better integration with the host system than Vivaldi or Edge, and support for fling scrolling that's not insanely fast on touchpads.
+1 for the Tree Style Tabs extension. There's nothung quite like it on any other browser (thougb I heard vivaldi does something similar? I'll try that, but it's still chr*mium, so not for me)
I really tried to switch to FF, but I need my vertical tabs, side-by-side/sidebar view and power user keyboard shortcuts.
I tried to use Tree Style Tabs, but that uses FF's sidebar view and I need the sidebar for other things too. There's a use case where I like to have two tabs open side by side, and the best way I found to do it in FF is the extension "Open in sidebar". But that overwrites the tree style tabs view, so I can either use vertical tabs or display websites in the sidebar, but not both at the same time! Not to mention that when I drag a tab out from a window, the website opened in the sidebar is carried over to the new window with it, which is infuriating! Also, Tree Style Tabs is so damn wide.
Another pet peeve is that searching in open tabs is not trivial. When you want to search in the titles of your open tabs with the goal of switching to it, you need to:
Which is just too many steps for this use case to be efficient, and I do this a lot in other browsers!
Despite all the privacy problems and other issues, Edge:
I like the idea of switching to FF and ditching Chromium very much, but these things are deal breakers for me and they're why I have to stay with Edge for now...
The logo is cool. Also it is not driven by Google which is a web company and a browser developer at the same, thats dangerous.
Great privacy (especially with addons), no chromium, ublock on mobile
Supporting open-source digital environment and resist to big corporate's monopoly.
I have a Firefox tattoo on my penis and all my friends will think I'm a liar if i use Chrome.
I've used Chrome since the beginning and moved from Firefox. I've been happy. I'd still be happy but now I'm back on Firefox because of Google's intentions. It's led me to start to move away from Google as a whole. Moved my emails and search to DuckDuckGo.
It's going to be hard to move away from other services. Maps and YouTube for example.
It is hard to move away from maps completely but for pure navigation there are many alternatives. From the FOSS world, there are 2 I would recommend.
Organic Maps - fairly clean and focused app mainly around navigation
OsmAnd~ - a more fleshed out map app. Easily see hiking routes, ski routes, etc. This is the one I am trying to use at the moment.
Still doesn't help solve the google review for restraunts and shops etc, but it is a step in the right direction.
i used to write reviews for restaurants on goog many years ago. recently i've gotten mails from google, saying they had been contacted by restaurants who claim they don't know me and my review is fraudulent. google wants me to prove i had been there (7 years ago, paid cash) or they'll delete the review. so all my reviews are gone, as well as any trust in that content. google reviews are garbage.
DDG isn't the paragon of privacy. Try Qwant or StartPage.
Cause fuck Manifest V3
Because I've been using it since the Windows 7 days and Chrome never gave me a good reason to switch.
Recent events have only solidified my choice.
Been using it since forever, no reasons to switch. It works. Got a bit upset at them when they killed xul/pentadactyl though.
Just to make sure. Are you aware of Tridactyl?
That's what I'm using, but it's not a fully featured replacement.
Because I can log into the sync feature without the browser logging me into every single google service automatically with the same account.
Also the Firefox Multi-Account Containers extension.
because Mozilla is not trying to mold the entire internet into an advertising platform.
A major reason for me is manifest v3 and other shenanigans designed to neuter ad blockers. Secondary to that is promoting web renderer diversity - as a web dev I don't want to go back to the days where we could only afford to cater to one engine - chromium / blink in this case.
Lack of alternatives...
Extensions. AdBlock for Phoenix was a killer feature.
It's not chrome / chrome-based. We need to have any choice. As Chrome is very, very loved by corporations, and Firefox hated... it means that for personal use it's the best browser available.
A couple reasons:
How do you put your tabs on the side? That sounds amazing.
It’s a bit more complex on Firefox than the others I mentioned
I use it since I know computers and it's better for Adblockimg than Chromium based browsers nowdays.
Because it's NOT Google and Firefox not embracing WebBundles or the “Web Integrity API” standard from Google. Google want to INTRODUCE DRM on the web.
And just recently YouTube (==Google) now also have very strict medical policy, so it can only follow the WHO guidelines. Google is evil, look out. Even Dr. Eric Berg is getting censored. Look out people.
I really like the developer tools. I always the install the developer edition (which is basically just the beta) and I find the defaults and menus more intuitive than Chrome’s, though at this point, they’re probably at feature parity. I could probably get Chrome to work how I want by changing settings but why? It’s not faster or better at this point.
I have ideological reasons too but honestly, the main reason is just that I like Firefox better. As a developer, it’s also nice to have Chromium (or Google Chrome) completely clean. If there’s a bug I can’t recreate in Firefox, I can open Chrome with no extensions or cache. Since that’s sort of the “default” for most users, it’s nice to keep my daily driver separate.
For me, it's not as memory efficient as something like Edge, but it handles having a lot of tabs open much better. It also has a lot of powerful features under the hood, and some really good power user addons, like Tab Groups.
Originally I started to use it because I'd heard there was a new update to its rendering engine that made it feel faster/better than chrome. After testing it out I did think it felt better at the very least. Now I'm using it mostly for the same reasons and to reduce my dependence on Google/Chrome.
I have been using Firefox since I can remember. That it is open source is a huge plus. The features it offers are great.
Chrome on android becomes unbearable with ads, and full screen vid ads when i just want to read the news. Use ff for the addon.
Tree style tabs. Can't live without it anymore
Is this an extension? I found multiple ones. Which one are you using?
https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/ This is the one I use. I don't know if this works on linux, I didn't look at the community when I posted originally my apologies.
Many reasons. Many of which is down to how Google as a company is reaching between the proverbial couch cushions to get at the loose change to make a profit. Default opt-in tracking, breaking ad-blockers, and probably more which I forgot about since I abandoned Chrome years ago.