I mean, yeah, this guy is wrong for thinking Trump will keep us out of wars, and the idea that you would vote for someone you think it like Hitler to stop new wars is both contradictory and morally reprehensible. But I've heard this take before (well, except the Hitler part, that's bat-shit insane) and it might be worth reflecting why a lot of the electorate no longer sees the Democratic party as the anti-war party. That's a big shift that's occurred in my lifetime, and it's worth examining.
In times past, I was fascinated by Hitler and WW2. It was a lifelong obsession that I had since childhood. But ever since the Trump era started it started to wane due to the fact that WW2 and Hitler just didn't seem so distant anymore... the world felt like a repeat of what was happening in those days and looking up facts felt, in part, like learning more to understand what is happening now instead of about history.
But if there is something that I need to point out is that Hitler was a SHIT leader. Germans and Germany ever since the Kaiser era were portrayed as hyperefficient and militaristic, and people then claim the Nazis were the same. They weren't. Nazi bureaucracy was bullshit and most of their economic growth was based on plunder (initially from German Jews and other marginalized groups and later from other countries) and almost purely military build up. Germany actually lagged behind in technological build-up to most countries, despite the stereotypes of the Wunderwaffen of WW2 (Fritz-X bomb, the ME-262, etc), and industrially as any technology that didn't have a direct military benefit was discarded. They didn't even have any proper anti-biotics during the war!
Even agriculture was fucked by the Germans. Despite the romanticization of the German peasantry and the countryside by the Nazis, they could not sustain their population at all. Most German food was imported, and they were preparing their population for harsh wartime rationing even before the war started. They fed their population almost entirely on stolen food from Poland, France, the Netherlands, and Ukraine. Also by killing a lot of people in the death camps they saved on food that way as well.
People stereotype communist countries as having no food when they don't realize that fascist nations just can't feed their own folk. Nazi Germany wasn't alone in having serious food problems. Imperial Japan couldn't feed its own population and would have had widespread hunger if they didn't start plundering China during the war.
Hitler lead Germans and Germany into death and destruction and misery and mayhem. He did nothing good for Germany. None at all. Even towards the end of the war he would have been OK with the German people being genocided since if they were defeated by the barbarian orc-like Soviets and the mongrel Americans they were not the master race he thought they were and they deserved to die. There is a reason why he is remembered as one of the world's greatest monsters.
Done went from being the guy we'd kill if we had a time machine to the guy we voted for in less than a decade. Pretty impressive trick.
“I voted for the guy that I think is like Hitler to end conflicts and keep us out of wars.”
Did he not read the part where Hitler genocided Jews, Europeans, and the disabled?
Did he not read the part in history where Hitler caused a war so large that it wiped out entire European families, literally tens of millions of Europeans?
The white working class in this country is going to get everything they voted for. I hope Trump floods their neighborhoods with immigrants, LEGALLY.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...I call BS on Wolfson's reasoning. The bastard is most likely a neo-Nazi shitbag and knew exactly what he wants out Putin's Sock Puppet.
It's like people really believe America entered WW2 to fight fascism becaus Americans are innately good....
Large amounts of the country said the same shit this guy is. They wanted to either stay out of it or outright join the nazis.
Especially the wealthy. Prescott Bush was believed to be part of the Business Plot that wanted to overthrow the US government in favor of fascism and doing the Axis powers.
They didn't succeed (mostly because of Pearl Harbor) but his son became head of the CIA, VP, and then president. One of his sons also became president, and almost another one.
If we don't remember what history was really like, we're doomed to keep being surprised when the same shit keeps happening.
Tell me you are a racist piece of shit without telling me you are a racist piece of shit.
I really believe that most Americans are dumb enough to be racist and just smart enough to know they shouldn't say it. I can't help but read all this apologism for Trump as thinly veiled, "I know he's a weird guy, but thank God someone is finally going to do something about all the people that look different than me".
Well, Hitler and the nazis were inspired by the USA...
Reference: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691172422/hitlers-american-model
Dictators: famous for ending wars. We'll never learn how many wars could have been prevented if only all countries had authoritarian leaders, too bad it's never happened before.
As a German, this the insane things our parents, grandparents and institutions warned us about. People begrudgingly accepted their lead in the hopes that "although it's an authoritarian, maybe he will take care of our goals". What followed was the cruelty of 1939 to 1945 and no one deserves to live through that, not even the idiots that got us in this mess.
Jesus fucking Christ
This is what happens when you systematically dismantle the public education system.
Same guy? I don’t know where this particular ideologue lives, but it would hardly be the first (second, third, fourth…) time newspapers “accidentally” presented career conservatives as a “randomly selected” voter.
Jackass and proud of it
Says a person who thinks they’ll never see the front line, the soup line, or the inside of a concentration camp.
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Voter turnout among Democrats this year was 10 million lower than in 2020, while Republican turnout barely changed. Trump won the popular vote by about 3.5 million. TBF it's unknown how many Democrats didn't vote because they were purged off voter rolls, and how many simply refused to participate because Harris didn't satisfy their moral purity standards. But based on the consistent failure by Republicans to win their election restricting lawsuits, my strong guess is that it's those 10 million fuckheads who did this to us. Zero tolerance doesn't work, folks, You don't walk barefoot across broken glass because you didn't like the choices of shoes.
Leopards ate my face
As far as, fascism is concerned, peace is certain ruin The preservation of international peace renders it possible for the enslaved masses in the fascist countries to gather their forces together and to prepare for the overthrow of the hated fascist dictatorship, and to enable the international proletariat to win time for the establishment of unity tit its ranks, to rally together the supporters of peace, and to establish an insurmountable barrier against the outbreak of war.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1937/war.htm
no war with Peoples Republic of China, no war with Russia, no war with Iran, no war with Venezuela, no war with Cuba, no war with the Democratic Republic of Korea
No war but class war
Imagine having a mind this... Acrobatic
Average swing state voter
Things are so shit for some people they would rather roll the dice and vote in Hitler..
Hey Matt, do you fucking hear yourself when you speak or is it like an 'adult characters on Peanuts' situation?
right on the edge of the paper belt
Someone needs to smack this man upside the head and explain to him how dumb this sounds.
He stole the election.
These must be the same kind of people that think 'Murica is the only country on* this flat earth*.
please be taken out context please
He’s not wrong. And the Dems agree with him. Trump is relatively isolationist. One of the Dem attacks against him was that Trump would pull out of Ukraine for sure, which is actually a popular position among the vast majority of the electorate. If you’re out of touch because you only tune into what political elites want, then of course you would think that’s a bad thing to say about him.
Trump also seems poised to keep his aggression towards China focused on tariffs. While that’s not good either, Dems also supported some steep tariffs against green tech imports, and an economic war is preferable to the average voter than the hot war the Biden admin was stoking with China.
Trump will definitely be more active militarily against the population here at home. He previously had the military abducting Portland protestors in unmarked vans. But I’d rather prepare to fight here at home than support more active foreign militarism to maintain my own comfort.
