Trump will give Israel ‘blank check’ which may mean all-out war with Iran, says ex-CIA chief

Oh he'll help end the genocide alright. You can't genocide a people that's already wiped off the planet.

I truly cannot grasp how uninformed one has to be to claim to be for Palestinians but think helping Trump's odds was strategically better. Such profound ignorance is on par with maga, themselves.

On another note I want absolutely nothing to do with Mehdi Hasan. I supported him for quite some time but he got tunnel vision to such a degree he ended up thinking completely irrationally and contributing to the problem. He's venturing into Jill Stein territory for me.

"They" were persons holding "real" opinions, I'm afraid. Just as the russians calling for "russophobia" 2 months prior to the special genocidal operation

I totally understand that sentiment, being myself someone who voted for Harris as the better candidate, but I think the results show it wasn't abstaining anti-genocide voters who caused her shortfall. Millions of people who voted blue in 2020 didn't vote or in many cases actually voted red on Tuesday, way more than the few pro-Palestine abstainers likely amount to. And I doubt many ppl who care about Palestine would've switched and voted for Trump.

As much as I'd love a simple, singular group to blame for Tuesday's horrible result, it's way too early and multifaceted of an issue to do so imo. Depressingly, I think it's moreso just uninformed voters who thought that since inflation wasn't as bad from 2016-2019 that Trump would be better for consumer prices, and they didn't really think about it any harder than that.

Fairly certain the economy was the number one issue for voters that switched parties. I have not seen the numbers on how the genocide affected voting outcomes, but the blame rests squarely on Kamala’s shoulders for running a shitty campaign.

Voters don’t owe the politicians anything.

Yep the Dems are accountable for nothing, but peaple who refused to vote for genociders are accountable for Trump's action sure. Keep blindly following your party.

Okay my man look at the margins. The anti-genocide people could've all voted and it wouldn't have flipped a single state outside of Michigan. And the thing is: Harris lost before Michigan even finished counting. So yeah, you're barking up the wrong tree here.

Then he will be held to the same account Harris was.

Stoppig the genocide... Who started it?

I got banned from a community saying this as calmly as possible XD Idk i feel like theses tankies who were overwhelmingly hostile are either shills or hypocrits who just want to hurt the big bad capitalist, short and long term consequences be damned. (Tankies=/=Leftists just a reminder)

Well now that the election is lost, the Democrats could make true on their claim they would seriously end this, but had to wait until after the election...

I doubt they will, because every of their action has shown to be equally strong genocide supporters. But we should see the next days, as Israel still doesnt let anywhere close to 350 Trucks into Gaza, leave alone any into the north of Gaza. The ultimatum is running out.

Also as weapons deliverys to Israel have been and are illegal anyways under US law, now would be a great chance to get every Republican and Democrat who voted for them or approved them as part of the administration into jail and in front of a court.

Oh wait, they wont because breaking the law, which unsurprisingly helped the convicted felon win, was worth it, so genocide could be further supportet.

Yep, running two pro-genocide candidates did absolutely nothing to stop the genocide.

Are you saying Kamala and Biden had the power to stop the genocide in Gaza but chose not to as a bargaining chip with Muslims?

Trump is very isolationist. I'd be quite surprised if he committed to any conflict directly. Funding Israel to fight for him however...

Don't forget that if we pull funding from Ukraine, the proxy war with Russia will potentially morph into the most peaceful war between Russia and our allies.

Nothing yet happened but you're already crying like it did.

Believe it or not, he'll probably cut subsidies to Israel, get a peace deal in Ukraine (yeah, by giving his buddy Putin parts of the country), and he surely won't start any war with iran.

And all you'll be able to do is continue fuming on the internet while being factually wrong. And in the end it won't be a surprise to really anyone but you that your party will lose electrons over and over.

Didn't you know trump will stop the genocide....by writing a check so large that Israel completely removes Palestinians from the map... can't have a genocide of Palestinians if there are no more Palestinians.

Check mate libruls

I mean, Trump will definitly ensure that the suffering of Palestenian people ends quickly

"We stood up for our PRINCIPLES!!!"

-- screamed over the sound of brown people being exterminated

Iran can defend itself. Homeless children can't.

Thank your god Netanyahu that she played into his hands.

Good thing your party stuck to their guns and didn't compromise on committing genocide. Then you wouldn't be able to be smug about losing to a convicted rapist and felon.

Really shows how stupid and gullible the American electorate is. War is a classic “Wag the Dog” tactic.

"But Trump will stop me having to hear about all these wars."

Fixed for you. I heard the same from my mom - that it was a REAL SHAME Biden wasn't trying to force Russia and Ukraine to peace.

But at least they got join MAGA to own the libs.

We told you it was a losing issue. You called us Russian bots and tankies and trumpists because that was easier than listening to something you didn't want to hear.

I voted for Harris. But that doesn't mean I'm blind to the suicidal boneheadedness of the pro-genocide centrist wing of the Democratic Party. We tried to warn you. You thought you knew better. In your overwhelming and unearned arrogance, you concluded that anyone that was willing to read the writing on the wall couldn't possibly be an actual person with agency.

Now go hug Dick Cheney. He's the only vote any of you cared about.

If the anti-genocide left were too insignificant to treat like humans, they're too insignificant to blame. Centrists ran the campaign they wanted. Their instincts were and remain shit.

I really hope we get the policies of Cornel West. That would be totally awesome. It's why I voted for dude.

Instead we're getting a continuation of Genocide Joe.

He spent all 4 years totaling around 3 trillion in Afghanistan, to accomplish nothing.

Trump started plenty of wars https://youtu.be/QQYFVEka3fA

This video should completely put to rest that Trump absolutely did do some fucked shit and that his rhetoric was equally bullshit regarding wars.

Yeah but GeNoCIdE JoE, etc.

Nah the DNC did this by abandoning their principles and base in a failed attempt to appease conservatives and some foreign government.

Arguing that people should just support, fund, and arm human slaughter, and likening it to something basic like marijuana legalization or taxes, all so you can win a contest is fucking insane coming from the supposed left, but it really just shows how far to the right the party has gone.

You did this.

I genuinely don't know whether you're being sarcastic or not.

Yes, despite the smiley-spam.

I never imagined the face-eating leopards would eat my face!

--moron lefties

Rashida Tlaib's district is a prime example of this, she kept her seat by a wide margin while Dems lost the state. They decided to ignore their voter base and suffered the consequences.

lol within a year or 2024?

I havent heard a peep a... oh its a star trek thing gotcha

Maybe Trek was just a few years off on the Bell Riots

Just have to be the last one to blow any smoke up there.

I would hedge my bets for now. Alternative scenario: The Saudis throw another party for Trump, make some business deals in exchange for reigning in Israel. The House of Al Saud of course doesn't care about Palestinians but their people do and a party and some business is a low price to pay to be celebrated by your subjects.

Blech.. this honestly seems more likely to me now, plus it can be used as propaganda to "prove" that he did something about genocide, to keep people voting red...

Since we're doing copium, my hope for Ukraine is that the industrial-millitary complex wants to keep sending weapons there, so it will find a way.

Bud, they both support it. The difference is that Republicans don't pretend to care about stuff like this.

Do agree, these people seems to ignore the news or at least now aware of what is happening.

If Biden didn't want a war with Iran they would have stopped the genocide in Gaza, pushed for an actual deal, remember the one that Hamas agreed to and then Israel backtracked. He could have stopped the bombing of the Iranian embassy in Syria, or the attack on Lebanon.

Iran telling the whole world about there drone attack and then Israel goes to attack Iran again, followed directly with USA and UK telling Iran to stop it aggression??

Iran have population of 90 million people, Israel has 7 maybe, pretending Iran cannot take Israel is just stupid.

No Kamala would‘ve saved us! /s

Someone I can work with and eventually break? Or the racist fascist who wants to annihilate the brown people? I guess they're the same!

-idiot Americans

As a brown American?

Go fuck yourself.

I don't think you understand the capabilities difference - Israel has the nuclear option if they are threatened existentially. But lets take that off the table a moment.

Iran's capabilities are their missiles, manufacturing capabilities. Their Refineries, and strategic energy reserves are in known locations and are the lynch pin of Iran's economy. And finally, the Nuclear R&D facilities are in known places. All of those are the targets - and Israel absolutely has the capacity to take it out- just not the strong justification.

If Iran continues striking Israel, Israel is going to feel the pressure to decapitate Iran as a threat to them.

The fall out of this is more interesting:

1. China loses access to Iranian Oil for the short to mid term - it will take time to restore capabilities.
2. Russia loses access to Iranian missiles - without production capabilities, and depleted stocks, Iran will not be able to sell missiles to Russia let alone drones.
3. Iran's economy will be in shambles - that could very well open the door to coup or revolt.
4. Iran would unload as many missiles as it possibly could - which could be devastating. But that would come down to just how many interceptor missiles Israel would have available, along with other air defence options.

If you want a "Why would trump support this" - there you have it. It reaffirms US obligation to support it's allies, It puts economic pressure on china, and denies Russia access to weapons - which should help push them to the negotiating table.

In reality, I would more expect Iran to back off. Then again - With Israel obliterating Iran proxies, Iran may feel the pressure to complete a nuclear deterrent and Israel may end up wanting to decapitate Iran as a threat BEFORE they gain that capability... what a bloody mess.

HOW?!?!

You do realize, the only way to get from Iran to Israel, is via air.

The Iranian air force has checks notes some old mig-21s, 25s, F-4s and F-14s that don't fly.

The Israeli Air Force has checks notes F-15s (undefeated in air combat) and F-35s (ditto).

It wouldn't be a fight, it would be one of those scenes in movies where the guy is tied up and beaten for information, till the guy punching just gets tired of swinging and takes a quick break.

Common decency and morality, maybe?

Fee Palestine protests aren't new.

Yes, apart from the blank check part and Trump telling Netanyahu to "finish the job" on national TV, no real change at all.

Oh, and also the impending genocides of brown and queer people, but I was told before the election that those weren't important and/or wouldn't happen.