Lemmy Developer removes comment in asklemmy@lemmy.ml for asking Russians if they are being oppressed by their government and if they support the ukraine war.
At some point I have to start wondering if Putin pays these sorts of people.
The thread the comment was in. Seemed like a very relevant question.
https://lemmy.world/post/21619412
Note that dessalines isn’t even a moderator of the community, but a lemmy.ml instance admin. Instance rule 1 is related to bigotry, so according to Lemmy dev dessalines, it’s bigoted to ask the russian population if they are oppressed or support their country invading ukraine.
I like it here on lemmy. But people like this being main devs leaves sour taste to it
I think a lot of people are going to switch to piefed once that gets more fleshed out. It federates with all lemmy but has a different and more open dev team working on it. They already have a bunch of cool features lemmy is currently lacking.
By "a lot" I'm guessing you mean a steady and eventually declining population of a few thousand monthly users?
We don't.have a lot of users, even if everyone switches they won't get a lot of users.
Now i recall why there's a push against migrating to lemmy when reddit blackout happened. I thought it doesn't really matter, turns out they're right.
Yeah, it was and is the major issue with lemmy I think.
On the other hand, it's an open source project amd there are likely other contributors that don't agree with them ideologically. And as long as you don't interact with the .ml instance it should not effect you.
There will be assholes everywhere.
It would be much better if more servers actively defederated or limited their server, that way the things they say and do would have less effect on the other servers that aren't affiliated with them.
It honestly makes me concerned about the broader security risks of using lemmy. There's a lot of opportunity for them to target users they don't like by serving them malicious content via lemmy.ml, and they have shown nothing to indicate that they are above this kind of thing imo.
Tankies gonna tank. Never question the orthodoxy in an echo bunker.
I feel like using Lemmy.ml here is cheating.
perhaps I should have posted in !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works but that sub is basically preaching to the choir
Still good to collect stuff there
You can cross-post it there, I feel like there is merit to having this get as much exposure as possible. Also !modabuse@lemmy.sdf.org is another good one, it's a bit smaller but still good place to share stuff like this.
The best reason to use MWoG is how much its existence upsets the tankies. Dessalines in particular is obviosly extremely fragile.
Pick whatever instance you find first, they said. It doesn't really matter which one, you can participate all over lemmy, they said.
Now every time i post a comment, people automatically assume I'm pro Russia and a tankie on account of having an account on lemmy.ml
This sucks. I can't believe I'm gonna have to migrate instances to be taken seriously on discussions.
We don't believe you, you tankie vatnik.
/s obviously.
FYI, just making a new user on a different instance isn't a big deal. Guess why there's a "3" in my user name. Come to think of it, my first account was on lemmy.ml too, although the main reason why I moved at that time was because I forgot the password.
I probably would've signed up at lemmy.ml if they hadn't closed registrations in the Reddit migration, very glad I didn't though from what has happened there. I signed up to Lemmy.world instead, and even though it is problematic in many ways at least the Admins there aren't trigger happy power tripping bastards, trying to promote their pro-russia tankie shit.
See it in a positive way: now you can carefully choose an instance that you like compared to your previous account
Also, this must be my 10th alt. It takes a few minutes to export/import the settings and that's it
Don't migrate because of the assumers; migrate to not subject yourself to an incompetent admin team.
Remember in the early days of the Fediverse when people said it was all about "freeze peach"? Yeah that was not good. Not only is it wrong and would disappoint and piss off a lot of people when they learn about defederation and that you can still get banned, but it also attracts a lot of extremely rotten people to the platform. Remember exploding-heads? Yeah that was a side effect of that lie to try and promote the Fediverse.
People are dumb everywhere. You're not really wondering about that hm? 😉 I wouldn't migrate because of that. Quite the contrary, the dumdums sort themselves out this way, saves a lot of time.
But what you also have to consider, migrating instances sends a signal. Its the same as people who stopped using twitter because of musk. When you continue using something you make it look like you font really care, so migrating your account is a good way to tell the admins that you dislike their policies.
Tankies haven't learned that ignoring things to reduce visibility tend to be more effective censorship than creating a streisand effect.
That's how the west learnt to do deal with it. Manipulate it in the backend, not the front, and if caught, blame it on a bug.
I legit would not be surprised if Dessalines takes money from some unsavory people to operate .ml as a kind of information war training ground.
User donations are certainly not generating him any real cash flow.
I'd be surprised if Lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, and Hexbear don't get funding from the Kremlin/CCP
What's rule 1 anyway? I don't want to wade into that cesspool to find out?
Rule 1 is whatever they want it to be. They don't moderate anything in good faith at ml.
much like codes of conduct I feel like it's a false flag to handwave bad moderation using questionable interpretations of subjective terminology.
instance rule 1 is no bigotry.
Since dessalines is not a mod but an instance admin I assume that’s the justification for the removal.
I could see a strong argument for personal safety around such a question (potential for self-incrimination and going through windows) but bigotry is a head scratcher.
To be fair, the first part of the sentence kinda sounds like an accusation against Russians. However, it isn't something i would consider worthy to be deleted.
I remember when the Ukraine war started and in the comments of one of the first reddit posts were full of Russian people saying how they hated it and they just wanted peace. Nowadays I can't remember the last time I saw someone who is Russian on reddit or Lemmy really.
Translating .ml rules as they're actually enforced:
Those rules are enforced regardless of the piece of criticism being valid or invalid.
On the one hand, a quick check of the author's posts shows that he is just an obvious pro-NATO shill and his question was in bad faith, so Dessalines did nothing wrong by kicking him out.
On the other hand, this thread could have led to an insightful discussion that would have been interesting to read, so it's a shame that it was removed.
In the very beginning, .ml had the unique vibe of a truly decentralized international community with thousands of people from all over the world with different worldviews, leading to fiery and thought-provoking discussions in threads. Unfortunately, it is now actively turning into a hexbear/grad style far-left echo chamber.
This may be a controversial opinion, but I think instances and communities should just ban people for acting in bad faith. There’s very little actual insightful discussion that you can have without someone trying to just win some unilateral debate with some really obnoxious comments. I hate seeing people arguing and being rude all over the place.
I try my best to be the change I want to see in the world, but it’s really tough sometimes to try and stay positive and constructive when you’re just enduring endless personal insults
ok liberal