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As someone not from USA, this baffles me

It's totally fine if you believe that life starts at conception.
The thing that actually baffles me are the states that passed anti-abortion laws, but struggle to provide adequate health care, especially for those who are not financially stable.

I found this article, "States with more abortion restrictions have higher maternal and infant mortality", but feel free to correct or educate me on the topic.

Edit: removed "this article" appearing twice and tried to fix preview

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  • If you want an actual "answer", some christians believe the following:

    1. Unborn children are sent from God to populate his earth.
    2. They are at birth only burdened with "original sin", which Jesus lived and died for.
    3. They believe a child not baptized, and not on the Jesus train still have the stain of original sin. So they believe that soul is fucked, as it never had the chance to get to heaven. That's why they believe abortion is especially heinous.

    Next:

    1. Many Christians believe in prosperity doctrine, wherein when you see someone doing well, that's because they are aligned with God in some way or form, and their success is god's success.
    2. If you see someone doing poorly, it is because they have not accepted Jesus.

    Healthcare:

    1. Many believe that illness and failure are reflections of sin at worst, or simply god's tests at Best.
    2. As before, lack of money for healthcare is attributed to a lack of alignment with God, as if he intended for you to get that healthcare, you would.

    So the conclusion of this delusional mindset is that children must be given the chance at baptism to get their soul on the way to heaven.

    Adults need to align with God in their lifestyle and choices, else bad things will happen and it's all their fault. So when you see an adult failing, it's not like they didn't have a chance to get right with God!

    Because this is Lemmy, be clear, I do not hold this position but was raised in Christianity.

    Edit there are people that actually, truly believe a fetus killed by abortion is murder of the darkest sort: a murder that robs the soul's chance at heaven. That not only are you "killing", but you are killing in a very, very dark way.

    Of those who actually believe this, I can't imagine any compromise being reached, ever. How do you compromise with "willfully casting a soul into eternal darkness?

    Many fake Christians only approach this topic from a control standpoint: they want to dominate others through fear. But the real believers are on another planet.

    • I believe abortion is killing, but it only becomes murder by definition if abortion is outlawed. The literal definition is "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."
      The fetus won't have cerebral cortex till +12 weeks; no consciousness. So it wouldn't be much different than killing a plant or bacteria. It's debated when it becomes a human.
      Yes, I justify murder as it will likely reduce the suffering. Thus, I am a monster in Christians eyes.

  • What you're witnessing is a travesty to be sure. As someone that doesn't think like these assholes, I'm left as confused as you are. That said, I'm sitting in this frying-pan and have had some time to think about it while the heat rises.

    An optimistic view would have me think: these are religious fundamentalists that are focused on the present and are not at all future-focused on outcomes or unintended consequences. As die-hard religious types, data, logic, and sound reasoning are all superseded by faith and feelings. It's no conspiracy, but rather an outcome of The Southern Strategy which is more or less an artificial "movement" generated by the GOP. Hopefully, a major shift in politics would see this all go away or greatly diminish in the public eye.

    A pessimistic view has me thinking that this is an artifact, a symptom, of an upper-class funding policy to punch down on everyone in order to create a robust underclass to rule. This means saddling the middle-class with more debt, expenses, and fewer options than before, rendering them poor and less of a threat. For the whole abortion issue, it means eliminating all but the most expensive and labor-intensive option for pregnancy: birth and child-rearing. This may also be a ham-fisted way to force positive (or more positive) population growth which also translates to more economic activity an profit for the top. This is also fueled by a very expensive child-care and healthcare markets. These days, parents get horribly crunched trying to balance two household incomes, health expenses, and basic workday supervision for their kids. People are being asked, more and more, to either settle for a lower standard of living, spend their way to being poorer, or just have fewer children. The latter stops being an option with right-wing policy like the topic at hand.

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