'We are all Gisèle': French women rise up against 'rape culture' during Gisèle Pelicot trial

not all men but always a man

Pointless sexist bullshit and wrong on its face. I never understood the drive some people have to paint abusive behavior as exclusive to men.

'Not all men but always a man' seems to marginalise victims of female rapists, which do exist.

Otherwise, I'm absolutely in favour of rehabilitation, and if necessary, isolation of rapists - of all genders. I hope the court/government can be made to agree

I don't like that sign. Sure, when she gets raped it's probably a man but every time it's happened to me so far it has been a woman, so, no not "always a man."

"Good" news is that while I was forced to have sex (or else what was I gonna do fight her? Yeah that won't end with me in cuffs) it isn't rape because definitionally the worst women can do in my area is sexual assault, and people only care if you're a minor, just try and report it as an adult. Most people just think "oh you're a man you must've liked it" and just minimize it away because we're just sex objects so who fucking cares, I just had to get the fuck over it and I did, but it still pisses me off that I'm literally the victim of this shit and treated like a perpetrator by default just because I happen to have a penis, it's the ultimate "fuck you" on top really.

Came here to see discussions about the truly insane case mentioned in the article. Actually found an entire comment section full of 'not all men' vs 'basically all men' threads

Its a shame an obviously inflammatory sign and clickbait seeking article image has made it so that the discussion is mostly off topic.

Its insane and the whole evil piece of shit that perpetrated his kink of having multiple people raped by omission and literal drugging and rape gets away from conversations by the obvious bullshit of absolutes is insane to me. how about no victim blaming on either side and recognition that rape is awful abuse of power dynamics that occur whenever its viewed as possible.

But also this post should probably be removed because that sign is meant to cause this kinda of angry response and it leads into a lot of hurt victims and happily ignorant people hand waving it away.

Ok, wow, this is a fucked up thread.

I just came here to say "More power to her!", she's setting an incredible example and we need to turn back the misogyny and just general sexual violence that we've had in society since time immemorial.

My heart breaks for her. I'm glad she gets to see the support of those around her while going through this. And Jesus fuck, how can you even do that to someone? I just cannot wrap my mind of being able to hurt someone like that, and then to keep doing that, and just go on living life. I'm not religious, but I hope that man burns in hell.

My mom molested me when I was a child. Not always a man, and fuck that bitch for trying to pretend it’s so.

Imagine being the victim of a female pedophile and seeing that sign

imagine taking this story, about where a woman was systematically drugged and raped for OVER 10 YEARS, and going "ah yes but what about the men?!?". I truly feel for the men in the comments sharing their stories, and I hope they continue to share and raise awareness, but Jesus y'all not the time

I think I would have more sympathy with those focusing on the "not all men but always a man" sign if this weren't in the context of a woman being drugged by her husband and then said husband inviting about 50 random men to rape her, over 10 years.

One of the worst times to advocate for men's rights/issues is when everyone is talking about the heinous crimes a bunch of men have done. Especially if the comments you're leaving are focusing on how women rape just as much as men do, etc.

50 codefendants in a case against one woman? How horrific.

Thank you to the French women doing this. However, since this is France, my biggest worry is this will be shot down with a big red flag/note saying:

How can we fix this when the government keeps protecting the real rapists: minorities

Husband aside, that's 50 separate people who thought this was okay. Ffs

Terrible fucking sign and tone deaf af

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I can tell all of those commenting on "Not all men ..." this: Those women don't give a shit what you think. So 4% aren't men, you know what, it might not be technically correct, but it's certainly close enough.

Also you sound like the "All Lives Matter" folks.

Let it go.

[Edit - Jubus you frail scared little men, I'm speaking of a woman with a sign, not political policy / policy enforcement / law. Go get a therapist and stop spinning out of control on a random comment on a random article on the random fucking internet you pussy bitches.]

Women made up 89% of rape victims, while 96% of sexual violence perpetrators were men.

Ok, so not so men but 96% of perpetrators are men.

guys always is an embellishment. it's almost funny that not all men became not always men. obviously not always men but if you think the numbers are comparable you're living in a fantasy land.

I find it incredibly interesting that male victims are exclusively brought up in conversations about female victims, just as hate crimes against white people are exclusively brought up in conversations about hate crimes against African Americans, or how hate crimes against Christians are exclusively brought up in conversations about hate crimes against Jews and Muslims. If you use the pain of a group as a form of whataboutism then fundementally you do not care about their suffering, what you are doing is creating a competition that nobody will win. After you're finished using your group against another group do you truly care about them? I see many people here talking about male victims but how many people here support movements like mens liberation?

And yet, what no-one wants to face is the fact that women rape men as frequently as men rape women:

And now the real surprise: when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011).

In other words, if being made to penetrate someone was counted as rape—and why shouldn’t it be?—then the headlines could have focused on a truly sensational CDC finding: that women rape men as often as men rape women.

I mean, yes - let’s lock up convicted rapists. But if 50%of cross-gender rapists are women yet almost 100% of convicted rapists are men, there’s some seriously weapons-grade gender bigotry at play, there.

A legal system that is truly based on equality should see about a 50/50 split of male/female rapists convicted, and for largely equal time served as well.

Oh shit the MRAs are out in force in this thread 🙄

Real Redditor kinda behaviour going on here tbh.

Fuck off. I was abused by my mother. She looks like the kind of trash that would holf a sign like that.

Where is all this passion for male victims of rape when people aren't protesting the rape of a woman or women in general?

This is a rhetorical question

Anyone dug up statistics of how many rapes of women are by women? No?

Fuck off. I was abused by my mother. Down voted by the woke for not being abused by a man. Typical.

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Men are trash, these comments are all the proof you need for that. Pls stop acting like women aren't raped super disproportionately often, it just makes you look like a cunt and a rape apologist. Yes men are raped, and it's no less horrible than when women are raped. But women get raped SO much more often, and you just can't deny that without blatantly lying. Trying to deny it is no better than #AllLivesMatter bullshit. No shit all lives matter, but bringing that up when people put a spotlight on the struggles on a specific group only serves to distract from an actual attempt at making people's lives better

Let's see how long it takes for rape apologists to show up