Nebraska teen sent to 90 days in jail over abortion
The woman pleaded guilty to using abortion pills to end her pregnancy and disposing of the foetus.
Revolting that this is now a "crime."
Yep they’re trying(and succeeding at in some states) to frame women as cattle. Where the fetus no matter what the viability is, or the danger to the women’s health, and her socioeconomic status in regards to being able to raise a kid(with little to no help from the state that made her carry the fetus to term without any social safety net and if their is one it’s completely underfunded and has lack of easy access. Wtf is going on in peoples minds that think this is alright? I swear the alt right and republicans just give lip service “ small government” while they laugh all the way to the bank and damn well make sure that their daughters,wife’s, mistresses have access to those health services that is “plebs” are not privy too. /end rant
Killing a baby at 28-weeks of pregnancy and hiding the body is illegal in the vast majority of the US, including in blue states.
The actual crime she was nabbed for was illegally hiding human remains. Her mother who provided the abortion pills is the one actually going to be in a lot more trouble it sounds like.
"According to court documents, Celeste Burgess was in her third trimester of pregnancy when she consumed the abortion pills, making the procedure illegal as per Nebraska law."
I think this would be illegal in almost every western country.
What would be revolting is if this wasn't a crime. She then hid the "human remains." I understand you're probably pro-choice, but is this the hill you want to die on?
People like you just read the headline and reaction as if you know the whole story?
She wasn't charged for the abortion, she was charged for hiding the remains. Did anyone read the article here?
Yes. I read the article. I know that already. The fact that she felt she had to do this is an indictment of Nebraska.
"In May, Burgess pleaded guilty to a felony charge of removing or concealing human skeletal remains."
Yes, I think hiding and/or stealing human remains should remain a crime.
regardless, it's the law. if you want it changed, move to Nebraska, get residency, start a grassroots campaign, get elected to State government, and draft a bill into law.
you're free to do that, after all - self government is one of our many freedoms. many other countries don't allow people to do anything about how the government works.
It was always a crime to secretly force a stillbirth at 28 weeks and then bury the body without telling anyone. 28 weeks is almost 7 months (edit: math is hard). She had plenty of time to do it legally.
There are quite a few medical complications that can be found after the 20 week ban. It is possible she did not discover it until after that. The article does not give information on the circumstances.
As for what she is being charged with, improper disposal of a body, that seems proper assuming there was some sort of biohazard issue.
28 weeks is 6.2 months.
agree. fetuses can live outside the womb starting at ~24 weeks, whether you are pro life or pro choice i think (and hope) most of us can agree abortion at 28 weeks is very wrong. i dont understand how people can think otherwise. plus the article says nothing about the fetus posing any dangers to her health.
This has always been a crime in the US.
Third trimester. No.
It should not be a crime. The trimester is irrelevant. If the child had been born, it would have no right to anyone's body. In the womb, it should have no right to someone's body either. Pro-lifers have tricked you into arguing for unethical trimester-based bans. If it's wrong to kill that baby after a certain number of weeks, it's wrong to kill it before then too. To compromise, to allow abortion before a certain trimester but not after, is to make a mockery of the pro-life position, which says abortion is murder (but if you do it early you get a pass). There is nothing wrong with a late-term abortion compared to an early abortion. The child does not have a right to use someone without their consent.
These people care more about an unborn baby than they do about the baby after it's born. Actually sad.
If every one of these anti-abortion assholes want to start taking the babies of families who cannot raise them then it wouldn't be seen as just a disgustingly hypocritical movement. That is not the case. If you want to start forcing women to have babies they can't care for but you don't want to take care of the consequences of that, you are the problem.
Nobodies out here delivering fully sized aborted babies for shits and giggles. Pregnancies are painful and traumatic enough.
What a shithole State.
Shithole country
So weird to see people get bent out of shape over someone taking medication, especially since we do not have healthcare or childcare in this country.
Celeste Burgess, now 19, pleaded guilty to illegally concealing human remains after she had an abortion when around 28 weeks pregnant, beyond the 20-week limit then set by Nebraska law.
This was before the change in the law. It is certainly possible that there were medical issues or that Nebraska made it extremely difficult to get an abortion. I wish the article offered more details. 28 weeks is extremely late for an abortion.
If I am reading this right, this sentencing is not even for the abortion. It is for hiding the body.
She aborted at 28 weeks when the law at the time was 20 weeks.
She also hid the remains.
well, yeah - it's a criminal act. you can't just go around hiding bodies in the bushes, that's unsafe and a clear ethical violation
it's like 12 weeks now, so presumably the next person to attempt this will get a lot more than a 90-day slap on the wrist
We're not in fetus territory, here. A premature baby born at 28 weeks has an 80-90% chance of surviving and is unlikely to have any health issues.
The article doesn't say why they waited so long to reach this decision, but on the face of it this case starts to blur the line between abortion and murder.
A baby born at 28 weeks is absolutely likely to have health issues. What the fuck are you talking about? That would be extremely premature.
A healthy fetus has a good chance of surviving, sure. But what if she found out that the fetus had a severe medical issue that would not see it live long outside the womb? That is significantly different. The article does not give detail on that.
The face of it does not provide detail. I agree that this blurs the line but the line is blurry because of the lack of information.
It doesn't matter what the age of the child is. Abortion at any age is not murder, because no one has the right to use someone else's body without their consent (until Republicans succeed at allowing this). You're arguing that a fetus has no right to someone's body, until it grows up and reaches a magical "goldilocks zone" where it's not too old, not too young, but juuust right. Then you say, "can't abort, it's alive, it has a right to use someone's body without their consent!" and, then, once it's born, it loses that right! The entire situation you've been manipulated into agreeing to, makes a complete mockery of the very pro-life values it's supposed to espouse.
Nebraska shit hole state. Never will I go there.
I went there and it was actually dope. People so friendly, the food was delicious.
There was a tornado when I went there that ran right by us, it was oddly cool (mainly bc it was my first time experiencing one).
I'm also a POC, so I heard a lot of people like you that said I would just feel unwelcomed. Couldn't have been further from the truth.
Just to point out something the headline is missing:
I'm the united states 99% of abortions happen before the 21st week. For every state that has any sort of time limit on abortion, the absolute latest is the 25th week.
At some point, there needs to be a cut off. At some point we should all be able to agree that the baby is too far along to be aborted. This girl took a pill at the 28th week, which was far beyond when it was designed to be taken.
Now I don't know if 28 weeks should be old enough for a criminal charge, but it's definitely not as black and white as the headline makes it seem
Sure. I think that cutoff should be at birth. Because why should we have any baby born that will not be cared for?
my opinion is that the cutoff is viability. until the fetus can survive on it's own without significant intervention, it's not a living person. if the baby can be delivered and survive/thrive with minimal intervention, you're past the cutoff.
but, it's worth noting that i am not someone who can carry/deliver, so grain of salt and all. and, additionally, this is a compromise mentality. i ultimately think that the issue of abortion should 100% be between a person and their doctor with zero influence or regulation by government agencies.
Yeah I feel like a lot of people will make a reactionary comment without reading the whole article. Obviously if the mothers life is at risk or the baby just isn't viable then a late-term abortion is the right move, but 24 weeks is 7 months. Easy for us to say with no baby inside us I guess, but that's (imo) very late for an 'I don't want a baby' abortion.
There's definitely a conversation to be had around whether this girl had suitable access to healthcare, to secure termination earlier. I guess only she and her mother know the answer to that. Women should have a right to choose if they're going to have a baby, afaik from the article the cutoff was 20 weeks at the time of the offence, any women reading this... is it likely to be 17 in today's world and not realise you're pregnant for 7 months?
What's the problem with 28 weeks?
Yes, it's clear that there must be a cutoff date. Personally, I like the biblical standard: baby's first breath.
The criminal charges aren't for the abortion, they're for hiding the remains. Did anyone read the article here?
Considering no one would want to have an abortion in the third trimester if they couldn't help it, this is either a situation of them being blocked from having an abortion at every turn earlier or a case where they wanted the baby, but found out that it was going to harm the mother and the state would do nothing about it because an unborn fetus trumps the life of the mother.
That's a bold assumption given the lack of evidence we have supporting either of those situations.
What do you think the reason is for her keeping the baby remains?
Wow this is so dehumanising that even though i live in India , which yall identify as a third world country feels like otherworldly shit !
I don't know any reasonable person that would say the U.S. is a worse country than india. Between the caste system, gang rapes and extreme poverty experience by a huge portion of your population and arranged marriage culture, it'd be tough to convince most.
America isn't perfect, we're a new country with a lot of kinks to work out, but you couldn't pay me enough to get me to move to india.
I don't know any reasonable person that would say the U.S. is a worse country than india. > # Well at least we still have affordable healthcare to begin with. Every year americans fly to new delhi to get admitted to Indian hosptials 🥹 coz they cant afford healthcare in their own country! # Between the caste system, gang rapes and extreme poverty experience by a huge portion of your population and arranged marriage culture,> # While one can argue racism in the united states and we do punish rapists here ,for year 2021 , us reported around 200k rapes while india did 20k comparing the population and all , but lets not make a comparison there. The women in india can at least legally abort ( no matter what the reason for not wanting the child is) while arranged marriages are part of culture that some may follow ,you dont have to get into one.
America isn't perfect, we're a new country with a lot of kinks to work out, but you couldn't pay me enough to get me to move to india. > # India is relatively new when compared to the US and despite of the abject proverty that you claim , people with minimum wage can still afford to eat and have a place to live ! We arent at mercy of few capitalists , at least not yet ! And please , no one asked u to move !
"In May, Burgess pleaded guilty to a felony charge of removing or concealing human skeletal remains."
They let you hide and steal bodies in India? Guess I learned something new today.
Seems News is just "US News". I gave up all interest in US politics after the 2016 primaries. Good luck with fixing your shit. I'm out.
Of course it is. The US invented the internet. Everything defaults to the USA unless specified otherwise
maybe because the US is very controversial because bad decisions get made constantly? when other governments make horrible brainrot-level decisions, that gets international attention as well.
You know Republican hoarding guns to keep a tyrannical government at bay? Well, this seems that tyrannical government.
Well done GOP/Nazi party. Putting young women in jail for taking control of their own bodies. Shame on you.
The article makes it sound like she didn't go to a doctor for this and her mother helped her get the pills and she took them super late in the pregnancy and then dumped the body. Any other articles that confirm the slant of this article?
I mean, given that y'all qaeda had stopped them from being able to actually seek medical support for this, what did you expect her to do?
Hopefully sense prevails and this birther cult can be sent to the garbage can of history.
This is beyond fucked.
pleaded guilty to illegally concealing human remains after she had an abortion when around 28 weeks pregnant
Regardless of the circumstances that may have led to this decision, this isn't a case worthy of outrage. There were 28-week preemies in the NICU when my daughter was there. While there's still growing to do at 28 weeks, this is a whole-ass baby, not just a bundle of cells.
So when a fetus arbitrarily grows large enough to be a "whole-ass baby", it magically grows the right to use someone's body without their consent? They just have to lay there and take it, because it's been there for so long already? Only in republican USA.
A list of products coming for that place should be made public. So people could start a boicot on anything from there.
Given that killing a baby at 28-weeks of pregnancy and hiding the body is illegal basically everywhere, you are going to be making an extremely long list of products.
I assume they will appeal as it is an unconstitutional crime they are being charged with.
"In May, Burgess pleaded guilty to a felony charge of removing or concealing human skeletal remains."
I don't see the case they could raise unless they want to try to codify whether or not the remains are human at 28 weeks.
Killing a baby at 28-weeks of pregnancy and hiding the body is illegal in the vast majority of the US, including in blue states.
What specifically would be unconstitutional about this conviction?
Whose body? That's not yet a person.
bit too late for that, as she admitted to her guilt
This is absolutely disgusting.... and yet this is how Nebraska voted in 2020:
You fucked around and now you found out.
I have a hard time feeling back for these people who year in, year out they vote for the same right wing fascists and then one day the policies those fascists support finally come back and bite them in the ass.
Murica, I can't wait to visit. /s
For those who did not read the article:
She was 28 weeks (6.5 months) pregnant. The survival rate for babies born at at 28 weeks is 80%. ( source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1117667/ ). This wasn't a fetus, this was a fully formed baby.
I fully support right to choose, but this wasn't abortion...it was murder followed by coverup. Everyone getting riled up over the social justice of this has plenty of things to be riled up over these days, but this isn't one of those things.
break the law? go to prison.
Third trimester. No.
That's a really short sentence for murder.
Well, 90 days in jail is better than the sentence the baby received.
A life full of misery and pain because the parents are unable/not ready to support a child?
The fetus wasn't even consious at this stage.
Agreed, which is why I believe you should be able to murder people who pass out at parties early.
“Officer, they weren’t even conscious, bro.”
Also, scientifically, a baby develops its first sense, touch around 8 weeks, which connect to their developing brain. Furthermore, the current lack of consciousness, if it were true, doesn’t/shouldn’t forfeit your right to develop/gain consciousness.
