US to send $375 million in military aid to Ukraine, including medium-range cluster bombs
US to send $375 million in military aid to Ukraine, including medium-range cluster bombs
U.S. officials say the Biden administration will send Ukraine an undisclosed number of medium-range cluster bombs and an array of rockets, artillery and armored vehicles in a military aid package totaling about $375 million.
The U.S. will send Ukraine an undisclosed number of medium-range cluster bombs and an array of rockets, artillery and armored vehicles in a military aid package totaling about $375 million, U.S. officials said Tuesday.
Officials expect an announcement on Wednesday, as global leaders meet at the U.N. General Assembly, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy uses his appearance there to shore up support and persuade the U.S. to allow his troops to use long-range weapon s to strike deeper into Russia. The following day, Zelenskyy meets with President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris in Washington.
That's nice, but $375 million, in US Military terms, is the equivalent of loose change between the cushions. We better send Ukraine a fat Christmas present.
I would like some loose change, Mr. President
Cluster bombs are being deployed in your house
We're planning on sending several billion in our extant weapon stocks, and disbursing a smaller but also 10 digit amount to purchase more weapons for Ukraine's use.
I thought we weren't allowed to use cluster munitions?
The US didn't sign that treaty AFAIK. Not sure about Ukraine though.
Ukraine didn't, and neither did Russia.
It's like with incendiary weapons: Not war crimes as such, but for fuck's sake don't use them near civilians. Ultimately they're not doing anything that an artillery barrage couldn't do, including leaving unexploded ordinance around: When there's lots of soft targets you don't need all those explosions but only shrapnel so you can send a single shot and cause that shrapnel instead of twenty causing shrapnel and pointless explosions.
Cluster munitions are bad when you're an invading army bc some of the explosives fail to fire, endangering civilians who come across them later. Ukraine, however, is using them on its own territory to combat russia who 1) is already using cluster munitions with a greater fail rate than the ones the US is providing Ukraine, and 2) deliberately mines the areas they invade in a way to kill civilians (e.g. setting up a mine to explode if you try to move the corpse of a beloved family dog). So in this case, using the US's cluster munitions to get russia out is a net positive.
Whereby there also videos from the first weeks where Russians left grenades as booby traps in kitchen cabinets and dishwashers?
Pretty sure the US is one of the few nations that never said they wouldn't use them.
Only if you care about civilians
the US is one of few nations that didn't sign that treaty, along with landmines.
We pretend it's ok by saying that we have high accuracy high precision cluster bombs. Though the ones getting to ukraine aren't, that entire place is also littered with minefields, so it makes no difference lmao.
good.
Now if only i could get IP people to realize that ukraine existed, maybe they could get the government to send those bombs to ukraine instead...
good.
Cluster bombs dropped across the country will be killing people decades after the war is over.
Dud rates vary from 2 percent to 40 percent, with U.S. submunitions on the lower end and Russian submunitions on the higher end. Duds act like landmines and can injure civilians
While everything to do with war is a varying amount of horrifying,
- Ukrainians are desperate enough to choose to use them in their own country
- they’re being given far more reliable munitions than what they’re already being attacked with
yeah, and so will russian landmines? Like, vastly more amounts of them will be vastly more problematic.
Cluster bombs are built to explode, in US cluster bombs, up to about 1% of them fail to detonate iirc. It's higher for russian bombs, upwards of 5% i think. Even if we're generous to cluster bombs, it's still just a tiny, tiny fraction of the probably hundreds of thousands of russian landmines that have been planted.
8 billion for Israel, $375 million for Ukraine
Since the start of the conflict it looks like we've given ukraine more than $100b in funding. (not all of it is direct) (since 2022)
Israel has received $300b, which is more, but only 3x more, and this is since 1946, the literal founding of israel. Covering spending for the last two fiscal years, it seems to only be about $20b since the october 7th attack, though that's a pretty rough figure.
in fact if we average these figures, $100b over 2 years is $50b a year, where as if we average the $300b over 78 years it's only about $3.8b a year. Though in the most recent funding package we have given israel $12b or so in marked funding, which is considerably higher. Still not $50b though.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/past-present-and-future-us-assistance-ukraine-deep-dive-data https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
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https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-long-range-missiles-6bd6af3d74ebbf6225330e476173575f
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https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-weapons-missiles-a4a109e2eb4581e59d5d1455deb92b09
https://apnews.com/article/biden-un-general-assembly-ukraine-israel-gaza-4e4e839c3cdd4edd7543aea84af2346fUkraine can’t win without Western troops.
It’s that simple.
They are doing very well even without them right now (especially against the supposedly second army in the world). What they need is more weapons.
They are doing very well
Its crazy to see people double down on this line two years into the conflict.
Nobody is doing well. This is a war of attrition that's ruining Ukraine's interior, devastating its population, and obliterating its economy. The absolute best thing you can say about the conflict is that Russians are also losing lots of blood. But that puts the terms of "victory" entirely within the scope of "How many dead Russians have we produced?" rather than "How much of Ukraine is there left to save?"
What they need is more weapons.
Who is going to be using them?
They haven't been winning with them either
And a little more debt for Ukraine.
Lmao, Ukraine is being invaded and the people are being genocided and you're here to talk about financials...
Shouldn't you be off generating fake concern for another atrocity to sway a foreign election or something?
"A little more debt for Poland and France" - bufalo1973 in 1944
most of which is default-able. The rest is probably going to be paid back inevitably, due to ukraine receiving a massive industry boom post war for shit like drones and stuff.
Not to mention the rebuilding of the economy.
It should be interesting to see who pays for this when Russia wins.
Russia can't win. I don't mean I don't want it to happen, despite that being true. I mean there is no winning condition for Russia or Putin to end this conflict. Even if they were to occupy Kiev, they should really remember what happened when they attempted to occupy Afghanistan, because the exact same thing will happen. We didn't even have to supply bombs and missiles, just some shoulder mounted surface to air shit, and the Russian occupation was completely halted. The Ukrainians aren't going to give up, even if Russia declared victory.
What's worse is that I'm not certain if we have passed the point where Russia literally cannot make enough people for this war to not cripple their economy and political power for the next century or so, but they've lost so many young men that if we haven't passed that point yet, we will by the end of the year.
probably russia