14 pages of dead babies

Oh man, every Palestinian had an ID number? Man those could have just been tattooed on every person to make sure Israel could keep track of them better.
No idea why Israel didn't think of that. Seems obvious to use in your fenced in area that everyone has to be carefully released from for either work or because they died.
- And IBM can supply the tech like the last time
  
  Intel is investing billions in Israel at the same time getting bailouts from the us government.
  
  No, they could just use Amazon and Intel this time.
  Wait, they already are...
  
  To this day I don’t know why Sun didn’t run a campaign with the slogan “we didn’t help the Holocaust”. Who am I kidding, their clients are all descendants of nazis supporting the idea of an American ethnostate.
- every American has an ID number too... I get the comparison you're making but I don't think birth certificates are inherently dystopian. there's plenty of actual shit to be mad about, such as 14 pages of dead babies, without having to complain about mundane shit
  
  LOL yeah I know. They actually are helpful for any developed country but seeing a document of a list of 34,000 dead humans from newborns to "old" that Palestine is trying to prove were real (because the number dead is way higher) by using the identification numbers and knowing how Israel uses their labor force and tracks them made me feel the parallels to a historical use, a little heavily.
  I kinda figured they should just go all the way with it.
- People will read this and not even blink with a sense of irony, we are that far deep into replay of history.
  
  It's a shame that people who were historically tormented by disgusting people can turn out to be infinitely more reprehensible... I'm looking at you netanyahu you scumbag Nazi
  
  Investing in genocide has historically turned out as good for business.

They had it coming! Should've picked a different place to be born.
- Being born there is the first step to becoming terrorist scum, they had it coming!
  /s just in case if that wasn't obvious
  
  I've never met a Palestinian but every Palestinian I've ever met has been a terrorist.
- They had it coming! Should’ve picked a different place to be born.
  They certainly should have! Poor kids. (I didn't miss your sarcasm, just adding to it)
  Look what the older Palestinian kids have had to endure:
  
  This graphic is a year old! It’s actually seventeen years since that blockade now.
  I wonder why some people there might think violence is the only thing their enemy would understand. Really a mystery.

I hate this world and almost everyone on it. Myself most of all. 100% powerless to stop any of this. I want off this hellworld.
- I hear you, it's been a brutal millennium so far and things look like they'll get worse before they get better.
  We're all powerless alone, and I don't see us being able to stop the worst of what's to come, but there's pressure building against Israel, against capitalism, against conservatism, against the status quo.
  It's going to be a rough ride but we need to stubbornly exist and be present and visible so that the pressure keeps building.
  
  We’re all powerless alone
  That's the "funny" thing about it. ALONE we are powerless. The really really hard part is getting all of us together.
  Media in the past that wasn't purely propaganda for the sake of manipulating the population would have achieved this simply by the reporting done. Now all they do is give cover to the assholes committing the atrocities across the world and we have to fight with each other just to convince people what is actually happening and why it's bad...
  Divide and conquer works and it's why we never seem to make progress. :(
- Bitch unless you're committing daily war crimes you had best at the very least hate yourself less than these monsters.
- i like u
- I really feel ya. It's insane how, short of donating as much as we can, most of us can't really do anything but watch this shit happen. It's a fucking mess.
  
  most of us can't really do anything but watch this shit happen.
  Join your local Communist party.
- 100% powerless to stop any of this.
  Join your local Communist party.
  
  Join your local Communist party.
  Also eat vegan /s
  Wth dude...!
- You managed to type four sentences on this subject and make every single one of them about yourself
- ironically we need less of this kind of thinking in the world
  
  My father left this world at age 39. I'm 40 and I feel like I overstayed my welcome in this world by a decade at least.
  Time to remedy that. Godspeed to the few who'll understand. To everyone else: my father had the right idea and I don't know why it took me this long to realize. We'll meet again at some inky spot betweeb realms. In the meantime, good night to those who understand. See you on the flipside, maybe, one day...
  
  This is all your fucking fault. You sick bitch. Hope you sleep good knowing your words likely affected someone else enough to kill themselves

Erm akshurally, did those newborn babies condem Hummus? ☝️🤓
Didn't think so, obviously they deserve it

Those children could've grown up to do some amazing things in many different industries (and no, terrorism is NOT one of them), but because they're unlucky enough to be born in Gaza, they have to deal with constant bombing, lack of food and water, damages in physical and mental health, and eventually death, before they even turn 18. Sometimes it's even abrupt and sudden.
Has Israel not yet learned how cruel this is? And THEY'RE the ones that get all the funding to do this. Oh, but if I say anything bad about Israel then I'm "antisemitic" MY ASS. You're killing literal children and I want the whole world to know about it.
- So, it's everybody's fault BUT Israel.
  
  Maybe the Muslim brotherhood would help out these children by accepting them as refugees, but I guess nobody wants another Black September where PLO attempted a coup on the Jordanian king that accepted Palestinian refugees, huh?
  I think I speak for every single Jordanian when I ask you to shut the fuck up.
  
  Why the fuck would Hamas build bomb shelters to protect civilians from Israel, when Hamas is literally funded by Israel?

That is more babies than the total amount of civilians killed by Hamas on October 7.
- That was the point of the action. Iran understands the hatred by the Israeli state for the Palestinian people (condoned, sometimes commended by western imperialist interests, particularly the British empire and the United States) only required provocation before Israel would commit atrocities that could be called a holocaust. So the Iranian intelligence state funded Hamas to cause trouble.
  And they played Netanyahu the way Martin Luther King Jr. played US police departments.
  The difference is, information from Palestine leaks out better now than it did throughout the 20th century, so the global public, especially in industrialized states, gets to look at it. We get to know what is happening and it is more frightening than we imagined.
  The horror of the German holocaust, according to our own nations and their state departments, is not what was done, but to whom.
  
  "Iran made me do a genocide" is certainly a take. One of the most takes of all time, even.
  
  "They made me do it" has been the main axis of Israeli Propaganda since the start and that's just a variant of that.
  How about this alternative explanation: they're stealing Palestinian land, want to ultimatelly steal all Palestinian land, are led by Sociopaths and Psychopaths and have an extremely racist society anchored on the kind of ethnic superiority ideas that would make Klanners blush, so they were always going to do something like this sooner or later to get rid of the rest of Palestinians and get the rest of their land and do it in the most inhuman ways because a large part, maybe even most, of Israeli society see themselves as "the chosen people", a superior ethnicity and what the previous famous group of ethno-Fascists would call übermenschen, whilst they see Palestinians as lesser people, "human animals", untermenschen.
  This is the kind of mass murdering Western nations used to do back in the days of Colonialism. It's only shocking for us nowadays because we've evolved as societies and adopted Humanist values (though by their support of Israel you can see that many politicians in several countries and even a large fraction of people have in fact not evolved). Israel does in fact have Western Values, it's just they're the White Colonialist Values that many European nations had back in the 19th Century, not 21st Century Western Values.
  
  I pray people with a victim blaming complex like this seek therapy before it's too late.

"totally not a genocide you guys"
Fuck you. I know a war crime when I see one.

- Nah. That is just part of the lie to make you think they are some indestructible super machine of super soldiers when they are just people with access to expensive weapons.
  They missed an entire plot from their prisoners to rebel and commit a terrorist attack because they just talked about it in person instead of online.
  This kind of thinking helps Mealnie Sue housewife in Indiana feel good about the killing of innocents cause the greatest smartest force couldn't possibly be wrong or uninformed about things.
  They know they are bombing civilians. They know that, trust me. But they don't care nearly as much to know exactly who. That's to be spun afterwards.
  
  They BETTER start Caring! If they start Murdering a couple hundred Thousand more Babies the US MIGHT think about MAYBE giving them LESS Bombs!
- They’re experts at cybersecurity
  Fun fact: Cellebrite is made by an Israeli company
  
  Unit 8200 is also Israeli along with NSO group.
- Not to feed conspiracy theories, but it's very likely October 7th was known about and it was decided that letting it happen was more politically convenient to justify the 'war' happening now.
  Israel has terrifying Intelligence that is world class, you might be underestimating it to be completely honest. By most accounts, it's the most efficient and powerful intelligence and counterintelligence agency in the entire known world.

Sad infographic for anyone who wants it
- The infographic shows 40% killed are men. (Though it does include 'elderly' in the 60%.) 40% of 40,000 is 16,000. 40% of the 34000 recognized is 13,600.
  So that tracks, sort of, with Israeli claims it is all Hamas.

Well that’s fucking depressing

But according to western military experts that are promoted by bibi himself, the IDF is the most moral army on earth and does more to mitigate civilian casualties than any army in history??????
- Modern weapons are so accurate, so when I see this now I'm pretty sure that it was intentional don't let them deceive y'all by the 'most moral army in the world' bull shit, Their goal is to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian ethnicity, they want more and more land. It's pure genocide yet the west still fund them what a world are we living in! Now you can't blame a kid for joining Hamas when he grows up in all of this and see all his siblings die or his relatives. Pain will cause pain and violence will cause violence it'll be an endless loop.
  
  Now you can’t blame a kid for joining Hamas when he grows up in all of this and see all his siblings die or his relatives.
  When you bomb the shit out of any area you claim to have terrorists in all you do is create more terrorists. It's like the oldest concept in history that we absolutely refuse to learn because it's beneficial not to when you need a terrorist to point at to justify your bullshit...

I'm going to go retch in the bathroom for awhile.

But they’re gonna be future khamas terrorizts1!1!

I was trying to come up with some sick joke about the babies being antisemitic in the eyes of Israel, but I threw up a little bit every time I tried.
And I've got a dark sense of humor, so that's saying something. >.<
- What's the difference between food and a pile of dead babies?

That's 710 babies under 1, it seems. The document wasn't linked in many of the articles talking about this but one article did mention it was on Gaza's MoH Telegram account, found it there. It's a pretty damn long list

This is extremely depressing, These babies didn't deserve this... No one deserves this at all!

Does anyone have a link to the actual document? Please 🙏
- A nitter of the X with document which is in pictures
  
  Unless I’m blind, that’s not the whole document, but just a few pages of it. I’m not doubting it exists, but this is a lot less to send to every university printer people have access to 😩

It’s more than theocracy, yes, but fuck theocracy, it’s a significant piece of the long game on this.

Ah. just what I wanted to see opening up this app.
How the fuck do I tell Lemmy to NOT RECOMMEND me stuff like this?
- Unsubscribe from planet earth
  
  I did that already, It just gave me death.

I think I must be heartless.

- This is specifically children killed by israel. An article from 6 months ago:
  Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict

Schindler's list can eat its ass
- You know, you can find the unjust bombardment of the Gaza Strip (and now also the West Bank unfortunately) wrong, and not compare it to the Holocaust at the same time?
  
  Putting together the bombing, indiscriminate killing of civilians near the aid centers, and blocking aid convoys to restrict calories available in the "humanitarian" areas, paints a pretty good picture. The only thing they haven't copied from Nazi Germany yet is camps with ovens.
  
  Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know ethnic cleansing had sub-cathegories

- Buncha actual Hamas adults attacked Israel and killed 815 civilians
  "they include two infants, 12 other children under the age of 10, 36 civilians aged 10-19, and 25 elderly people over the age of 80."
  A response was appropriate. But THIS response is Vlad the Impaler levels of overkill. Israel of all nations should know that a brutal genocide will turn world support to its victims and radicalize its survivors.
  
  But THIS response is Vlad the Impaler levels of overkill.
  I resent the comparison to one of my country's most beloved leaders.
- The only day on the Israeli calendar.
- The victims fought back, which is not allowed
  
  There is fighting back, and then there is their response.
  Think of it like the Proud Boys went to Mexico and gunned down a small town and took hostages back to Texas. Mexico attacks the Proud Boys in response, then starts wiping out hospitals, schools, residential zones in Oklahoma and New Mexico, places and people that have nothing to do with the Proud Boys. And the world stands by and watches.
  
  The vast majority of Palestinians killed were women and children. Israel didn't fight back against Hamas, it's goal is Genocide and if Hamas disappears then Israel won't have their precious excuse anymore.
  
  Not sure fighting back was the best move in this case, since it caused this sort of response. But it's not really for me to do that math

Trump would have been worse ;/s
- Why the /s? This is objectively true

Does it list cause of death? I assume the babies are dying cause of unavailabilty of pre- and post natal care, as a result of hospitals being unavailable. Or perhaps there is widespread starvation going on. Children usually succumb first to that.
- Can you spell out exactly why hospitals are “unavailable”?
  
  Or where that mysterious starvation is coming from that might possibly be going on
  
  War causes a breakdown of public services.
- Why? Is being killed by the direct results of bombing somehow not as bad as being killed by the bombs themselves?
  
  I didn't say that.

I'd love to see this kind of concern for the civilians of other countries.
- Talking about the civilians of one country is better than what you’re doing: talking about none.
  
  disagree.
- People do have concern for other countries. You are just mistaking your apathy for everyone else as something other people share.
  Just because you don't give a shit doesn't mean everyone else has to be an asshole that doesn't care too.
  
  so which countries do you care about?

- Gaza has other people besides Hamas, but then again you probably love the idea of mass burial graves made from children the Isrealis "harrased."

- They are the government of Gaza. Calling their civil service workers terrorists is just ridiculous. Are Ambulance drivers in the US responsible for the CIA's doings?
  And if they don't have ability to count the dead anymore, (40k is a months old number at this point), could that have anything to do with Israel repeatedly targeting the healthcare infrastructure in Gaza?
- Think yourself: Could Hamas really have the capability of producing reliable statistics about the gaza population after month of being bombarded?
  Was in OIF. Got mortared, ied'd,, and/or shot at nearly every day. Finance nerds still went to work. MI still disseminated no intelligence at all. Marines wrote offensive things and about my mother in very visible places I could not access. In 2003, our csh still kept digital records - on computers and laptops. Everyone did their jobs without any hesitation or meaningful difficulty at all. We all used to be civilians. Everyone has a threshold for the limits of adaptation, but most of us are capable of adapting to war, unfortunately though it may be. I realize that the impression our culture cultivates about war is a guy clutching his knees, weeping, and rocking back and forth while the planet fragments around him - and occasionally that does happen - but esprit de corps tends to motivate people into adaptation. It was my experience that the children in Iraq could follow my leadership and guidance better than their parents. They could also tolerate the terror better. They also had better senses of humor. They could also speak better English. I was an army guy but I still have a hunch that this had something to do with it. So be careful of the narrow perspective that organizational behaviors could only function effectively or reliably when sequestered within utopian sanctuary. People can do amazing things.
  
  There's also the fun fact that despite similar bombings, the death toll seems to have stopped going up after Israel did their best to destroy every major hospital and health infrastructure in the country. It's entirely possible they've lost the ability to effectively count the dead and this isn't the current number, it's the last known good number. A country not being able to count it's dead in a war should only happen because the other side is controlling the hospitals and thus responsible for those reports. So yeah, the next time someone questions if they can even count the dead remind them of Israel repeatedly targeting their healthcare system.
- "of course there are dead babies" as if 1 is not 1 too many. Also, don't underestimate the power of bureaucracy even during a genocide.
  
  I hate to defend Israel here because they've gone off the deep end. But there was always going to be a response and unfortunately there was always going to civilian deaths, including children. Keeping those to a minimum is a big deal to any military trying to operate in good faith, but zero won't happen until we turn the moon into an arena and have all of our wars up there.
- You have a great point. Let's let a large number of objective humanitarian workers with aid in who can gather statistics.
  Is that possible?
  If I were an epidemiologist and statistician and wanted to gather data and provide aid, could I just go there and do that?
  I didn't see the TikTok videos, but were those faked?
  I don't trust Hamas and think they are bad. But is everyone in Gaza some hardcore Hamas person? I think a lot of them just want water food and to not die. Im not that knowledgable on any of this.
- Right, so let's assume they're lying to some extent? How much of the number do you think is made up? 50%?