Noise Pollution ruins quality of life
Noise Pollution ruins quality of life
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/16511967
Someone got woken up on Sunday morning 🤣
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If its any consolation wrt Harley riders, the company is losing customers to old age, and attempts to appeal to the younger generation just get the old one (their existing base) mad enough to protest loudly against it, leading to the rep of it being a weekend warrior bike for grandpa to live his never was (as opposed to has been) biker fantasy. Not gonna stop a particular brand of pencil-dicks from making their cars loud and obnoxious, ofc, but still, take w's where you can.
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South Park completely nailed the "removeds" episode. That was one for the ages. Aww c'mon, are we really worse than Reddit when it comes to censorship? Goddammit... Seems the "removeds" won.
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South Park completely nailed the "removeds" episode. That was one for the ages. Aww c'mon, are we really worse than Reddit when it comes to censorship? Goddammit... Seems the "removeds" won.
Can you reveal what's behind the censorship enforced by Lemmy.world without triggering it?
Alternatively I would suggest you look for another instance that isn't draconian.
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while I actually loved that south park episode and their point that words (that word specifically) change their meaning over time, the "answer" they came up with is a joke of course. A joke that only works because bikers are upset and confused by the 'real' meaning of 'flag'. If the original meaning didn't exist it couldn't be used to hurt the bikers' feelings, it relies on its existing meaning to hurt them.
You cannot forcibly change what words mean. No matter how hard Trey and Matt wish they were iconoclasts and as much as i appreciate them? They REALLY aren't as clever as they think they are. What they did, if they had succeeded would just allow CHUDs to yell 'flag' at homosexuals and pretend they were calling them bikers, so it's a good thing it flopped.
As cool as it would be if "bundle of sticks" stopped being a slur, the slur itself is not the problem, the intent is. Intent behind calling bikers 'flags' is to make them feel like you're calling them homosexuals, relies on homosexuality itself being a slur. The end. No debate. Full stop. It doesn't even change anything, its hurting feelings RELIES on the meaning we currently agree on. Feel me?
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I've been thinking of getting a motorcycle, and Harley has no entry level bikes So new riders try a Honda or Kawasaki when young and broke and build brand loyalty to that, I'm sure.
Not surprising Harley is dying. All their stuff is so expensive you never get to figure out if it's good or if they're coasting on reputation while quality goes to shit or something.
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Fucking good. I so hate Harleys.
Hopefully the incel crowd will succeed in branding them as 'too woke' or whatever and once the boomers are all dead, that's it
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You're misunderstanding those numbers. The current older generation is boomers which got their name from the baby boom. People don't have kids like that anymore so everyone including retail stores will see drops in body count. If anything will kill them off its going to be their pricing. It is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to go with nearly any other brand.
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Had a friend who said he was considering removing the exhaust on his bike because it would sound cooler, everyone else in the friendgroup said we would pour sugar in his gastank if he ever did that
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Thank you for your service
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New Rule: if the motorcycle you purchased exceeds noise ordinance levels for a given area, said motorcycle cannot be sold, driven, or registered in that area, nor can it be parked in a public parking spot in that area.
Honestly though, I wish police would simply enforce noise ordinances and anyone with more than one violation would have their bike impounded.
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Several traffic cameras in the Netherlands have been upgraded with decibel meters as part of a test. I hope this becomes the norm for all the cameras.
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I wish police would simply enforce noise ordinances
I live next to a catholic church/school and sometimes on the weekend or near sunset a local kid rides his motocross bike all around the church yard. Annoying as fuck and it chews up the yard and everything. I've called the cops three or four times but they've never bothered to send an officer out. I called the church and all they did was install a bunch of super-bright LED lights which are on 24 hours a day. Kid still rides his bike there and now I can't sit outside at night anymore because of the fucking lights.
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Where I live, the police would need the authorization of the church to enforce trespassing on their private property, so if the kid is waiting until there's no one at the church, he pretty much gets a free ticket until a bunch of hoops are jumped through.
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I wish police would simply enforce noise ordinances
Easier said than done, unfortunately. They need sound meters to do anything reliably, and then there's the issue of catching them. Even slow, inefficient bikes tend to be much faster and more maneuverable than patrol cars, so motorcyclists are quite a bit more likely to run. Especially the ones that are already violating noise ordinances.
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You know what is faster than a motor bike?
Radiowaves.
The police patrol knows the direction that the biker is going, call a patrol there.
Light is also faster than a motor bike, get a recording of the license plate and use that to find it.
Or if the church/neighbours simply start logging the guy's schedule, give it to the police and have them wait for him.
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We basically have this in Japan. People will put their bike back to factory for the inspection and then change it out. They get caught rarely, but not often. loud-assed 暴走族 (bousouzoku) groups love to ride around in the countryside where I live and I can hear them from quite far. I really wish the police would do something about them.
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I'm fine with bikes being noisy. Bikes can be hard to see, sometimes I hear them before I see them.
I'm not fine with douchenozzles intentionally revving them up in otherwise quiet subdivisions as the OP describes.
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This is the classic argument for loud bikes, and it shows a lack of understanding physics and human nature.
Physics, the sound is generated by the exhaust pointing backwards, this means that the sound doesn't propagate well ahead of the bike, but way better behind the bike.
Human nature, human nature when hearing a loud sound is to find the source, however, by the time a driver has heard the sound the source have often passed, causing a needless distraction. Also, bikes tend to make a very basy sound, this is terrible for humans to hear the direction of.
Finally, if bikers are so concerned about being noticed by other drivers, why don't they wear high visibility vests and trousers?
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I agree with you, and I absolutely don't wish harm or accidents to anyone on a motorcycle.
A guy in my neighborhood just bought a motorcycle. He doesn't rev it up or try to be inconsiderate, but just the act of twisting the throttle to drive away at a slow speed violates the city noise ordinance and can be heard for a half mile or more.
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loud pipes save morons not intelligent enough to drive defensively.
the idea that your shitmobile must blast 100db just for the rider's safety is absolute bullshit sold by harley boomers, they don't care about painfully loud noises, they've already replaced their hearing with tinnitus and want everyone else to enjoy the never ending eEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE too.
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I had to listen to a friend of my gf's sister talking how she will make her car loud and all that. I really wanted to punch her in the face for being such an absolute dumbass. Why do you need your car to be above the legal sound limit?
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Because she either a sadist, a psychopath, and/or a narcissist.
Send her this article: Who Wants a Loud Car? [Psychology Today]
Tell her to get help.
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Because it's cool.
Apparently.
I'd like to see all noisy bikes and cars seized and crushed. And the owner billed for the work and time.
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The louder the vehicle, the dumber the driver.
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I'm driving an EV and I would like to prove you wrong.
I was making tea in a teapot, when I poured in the boiled water and closed the lid, the hot air inside expanding and making the tea overflowing through the spout. In a panic, I quickly used my finger to plug the spout in an attempt to stop the overflowing, and thus burned my finger.
My best friend of 20 years was sitting there and witnessed the whole thing. It has been years since and he's still bringing it up occasionally.
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the future's gonna be fun, watching these idiots lose their entire identity - vroom vroom - to the inescapable fact that they're killing themselves and our environment with their bullshit.
the temper tantrums are going to be hilarious, and more than a few will die to hold on to their noisemaking smog machines, because to them, that's freedom.
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What do you mean the future? It's happening now. One party has ran on "the EPA is trying to ban cars."
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Why the fuck is cringe censored?
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Let me run out and ask my neighbor, who also carries a gun while he mows the lawn
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this is probably a joke but in these times i have to check. fo' real?
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Not OC, but I don't doubt it. I've seen several people strapped with guns walking around their suburban home in my very red state. I saw a guy with a pistol clipped to his gym shorts getting the mail once, just dangling around, falling lower with every step. 2A bros are terrified of everything and panic without an emotional support weapon
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My neighbor is a decent man. I like him. We differ greatly politically but we can have a conversation and find common ground against the rich. My neighbor is not a racist. My neighbor is not a caricature.
My neighbor wears his gun to walk from his porch to mine to talk. And our houses are literally fifteen feet apart.
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Sorry, a week later, but yes I have never seen the man without a gun on his hip. Why? Well, my suspicion is that he has a small penis. I base that on him also owning a Harley which he rarely rides but does start and rev up at literally any time of day.
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It's a perfectly normal hobby for 100% straight, manly, conservative, white (did I mention straight?) men, who like to meet up with other 100% straight men, to wear skin-tight leather suits and enjoy the strong vibrations of their hot Harley engine between their legs.
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Okay, but just to be clear, assless chaps are still super hetero, right?
Right?
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Just gonna drop this here. https://www.psypost.org/psychopathy-and-sadism-drive-preference-for-loud-vehicles-study-suggests/
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Just wait until you get these idiots:
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He added the extra suspension on the wrong end.
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He got that Curralina squat
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And those motocross. My family lives in a rural area with a rail trail. So to go there I often just cycle on the rail trail.
Unfortunately it's also used by a local motocross group. They're not supposed to but they obviously don't give a fuck.
At least you can hear them coming from kilometres away. Which is interesting because the police or whoever is supposed to enforce "bicycles only" on that bike path doesn't seem to hear them. Nor see the very obvious tracks.
The most insulting part is that they close the path in fall, winter and spring because they don't want CYCLISTS to damage the bike path, yet there's assholes on motocross driving on it.
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I have one of these assholes next door. It could be 4 in the morning and said shit, revving in the driveway for ten+ minutes before riding off. Then you still have to wait for them to get a hold away before you get any peace. These same shit stains are always blasting classic rock through their tiny motorcycle speakers loud enough to hear over the already deafening exhaust.
But he's not even the worst offender on my street. There are three homes, each with more vehicles than driveway that have diesel trucks and wannabe race cars. For whatever reason these idiots all leave their shit idling for up to an hour at a time. It is not unusual for multiple vehicles to just be running at any given time day or night while my personal possessions vibrate uncontrollably. There may also be music blasting from one or more of these vehicles. The noise is the worst part but depending on the wind I also get exhaust fumes entering my bedroom when I'm just trying to exist.
If you guessed that this is in Florida you'd be right. Can't wait to escape this hellhole.
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I wish I could find a city that actually enforced noise ordinances against loud vehicles. Every city I've lived in has been way too fucking loud for me to handle, so now I have to drive everywhere because the alternative is live in a city and be driven insane by noise pollution.
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I'd like it if they would enforce noise ordinances at all.
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Man, there is a small d man who lives along my street and EVERY F DAY he drives his loud and noisy motorbike. It's driving me insane!
Also, there is a car that every f day, around 10 am, drive down the street, but his carburetor is open, being stupidly loud! It make me literally sick!
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There was a guy who used to rev his obnoxiously loud bike super early and super late round my way, it was so loud it would leave your ears ringing even inside with the windows shut.
He died in a bike accident and everyone was happy, so many neighbour's I've barely spoken to shared a quiet comment about it.
We do though get a ride through every year from the chapter of the gang he was in because he died 'a heros death' according to them as he had been fighting a different group of manchildren on motorbikes earlier that day and they were possibly chasing him at the time.
The family have a shrine to him by the road (not where he died, just near their house) with empty beer cans, burnt out candles, biker patches, cheap plastic skulls, and slogans about how tough or cool bikers are. It's a fascinating testament to how we form groups and make our own reality, I think he and they really believe that when we saw him on that stupidly loud bike we wished we could be as cool as him rather than everyone viewing him as nothing but an annoyance.
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This is the internet. It's OK to swear here.
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Man,I swear there is a small d man who lives along my street and EVERY F DAY he drives his loud and noisy motorbike. I swear It's driving me insane!Also,I swear there is a car that every f day, around 10 am, drive down the street, but his carburetor is open, being stupidly loud! I swear It make me literally sick! -
Can we be racist too?
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Set the bike on fire.
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Literally eh
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We really do not value quiet enough.
And the people here who's idea of a utopia is all of us living in Mega City One are the worst of them.
I used to play WoW with a guy in London, and literally every time he opened his mic to speak, it was a cacophony of sirens and cars and helicopters. I don't know how people in cities can even here themselves think. Like, great, you can order from 20 different Chinese takeaways but at what cost?
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Other folks will probably reply with "Cities aren't loud, cars are loud" but sirens and helicopters will still be there even if there aren't cars.
Plus if the city is quiet suddenly I'm all anxious because I don't want to bother anyone with my noise. Social anxiety and cities do not mix.
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How many of those sirens are responding to a car related accident?I would assume a signifcant amount. They may also be able to use their sirens less if streets were less congetsed. I'm also much more forgiving hearing a siren responding to an emergency than hearing a modfiied honda fart all the way to McDonalds.
Not doing anything about car noise pollution just because sirens and helicopters still exist is a poor solution.
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I'm in DC and NYC a lot, and the places I stay are almost always pretty quiet areas (cause I'm not staying in the hotbed touristy/party-y areas)
Even in cities, most people have average boring 9 to 5 jobs and need to sleep at night. When you get away from those particular areas (of course Times Square isnt indicative of the "norm," right?) its all pretty mundane actually.
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Most people suggesting we should densify are targeting suburbs, not rural areas. Suburbs are incredibly expensive and environmentally wasteful per square inch. They have all the utility of a city but spread out with more asphalt, cement, power, sewer, water, gas, cheap inefficient homes that leach heat/ac at an alarming rate, etc.
In rural areas the infrastructure isn't always as expensive because some residents have their own septic and well, live on a dirt road, heat with a wood furnace, etc. A few of those things are also more renewable. Additionally, rural areas are still required for our way of living (farming, logging, mining, fishing), while suburbs have negative societal value (they take more than they put back into the system).
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I suspect the suburb issue is one of car centric US suburbs where you can't even get out of it without a car, rather than somewhere like the UK, where I effectively live in what is now a suburb of a larger city (if I drove there, it's about ten miles, through an entirely built up area), but that "suburb" is also a town that's been here since medieval times with it's own shops and workplaces and facilities.
Seems to me the issue is less about low density suburbs, and more about the fact that there's nothing there apart from rows and rows of identikit housing.
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What's the difference between a Harley and a Hoover?
Location of the dirt bag.
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A dirt bag is a very useful part of the vacuum cleaner, clearly it’s a compliment.
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Imagine if motorbikes didn’t exist. These dickheads would have to go up to people and shout “MY DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS” in their faces one at a time.
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Then they would all drive diesel trucks with modified exhaust and floor it between stop signs
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Covered in MAGA flags.
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*at 1AM
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dude...your bike is farting so loud you gave grandma a heart attack...that's not as cool as you imagine it to be :/
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I never understood this. When I was a wee lad I wanted a car that sounded just like KITT. Completely silent.
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From what I have observed, any sane car is like that: the loudest noise is from the tires, with the engine only being louder when at low speeds or accelerating very aggressively.
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EVs for the win! They also usually have a futuristic whirring noise when reversing, just like KITT
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Jacked up trucks with a Carolina squat and just headers, with four 14” woofers in the bed, up and down the road at 4am. Epitome of human trash.
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Somehow, it's more annoying to me when it's someone's beat up Honda Civic that they've deliberately modded to be louder than thunder. Like...really?
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I hate ICE motorcycle/moped for that. They're by default loud, louder than ICE car, and sometime people will mod it even louder for "safety" because they weave dangerously and want people to know they're there. It's the reason i appreciate electric motorcycle, they're so damn quiet.
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The safety isn't about lane filtering so much as just intersections, but yeah it's a rubbish argument and any biker making it should shut the fuck up if they don't wear hi-vis on every ride
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KC’s got a huge group of crotch rocket and ATV riders that pull this shit at wildly inappropriate times, riding on sidewalks as well as blowing through red lights.
I still think the cringiest noise issue around here though is the neighborhood’s designated shittiest DJ lugging around a huge ass bluetooth amp and blasting his shitty rap music right across the street from my bedroom window.
I swear to god if that thing ever gets in range of my phone I’m connecting and blasting ABBA’s Arrival at full fucking volume.
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Unfortunately, the user usually needs to approve new bluetooth devices. May I ask why blast that song in particular though?
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No particular reason, I suppose. It’s just one of their songs I’ve always enjoyed listening to. And it starts in on a nice forte that I think would be sufficiently startling, lol.
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Some men seem to think their balls will fall off if they don't frequently cause loud noises.
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DANKPODS! DON'T YOU DARE!
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Yep. Neighbor down the street. The emotional equivalent of a cow fart.
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I have someone who lives nearby with some obnoxious Mustang. And yeah, it sounds like a cow fart when going 30km/h in a residential area. Like bro, is it really a sports car if the engine is working hard going 30!?
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I have a much harder time with light pollution than I do noise pollution.
Black out curtains work, but in my experience they can be harmful if you forget to open them.
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Blackout curtains have different levels. From your comment it seems to me you probably tried 100% blackout curtains. Those are quite overkill.
You should try 80% blackout curtains, they block almost all of night lights and have a warm yellowish haze during the day.
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Hu?
Where’d you hear curtains could harm you and in what way?
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The lack of light could mess with your circadian rhythm. Causing you to sleep through alarms or miss the benefits of sunrise / sunset. Moot if you wake up before sunrise.
This is just my personal experience.
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Where I am harleys aren't so much of an issue as extremely loud uber eats scooters. Everywhere should just ban gas mopeds. The downside is it'll come off as a tax on underpaid uber eats drivers, but if the same rules apply to everyone it should end up going to the Uber Corporation and the people who use it instead of the drivers. As it is basically all of us are subsidizing uber eats with our ears.
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500 people surveyed? 29% variance? This is click bait for the real narcissist: the author.
Firstly, the study starts off with the researcher complaining about noise pollution around the university area. They then proceed to only study young adults in the university area. 529 business students to be exact.
The sample, 529 students, isn't a bad size for a pilot study, but isn't large enough to draw worthwhile conclusions. There is an adequate gender distribution to support their claims, but the age distribution is exclusively focused around younger populations. As the average age is 18 among a university population, there is likely very little age distribution. The study is only focusing on a very specific age population and results cannot be extended to other age groups.
Second, the choice of questions asked to the participants is just horrendously biased. The researcher specifically asks about participants own cars. Given that this is a university sample, there are likely many students who do not have a car. Those students without a car would have inherently scored lower, thus biasing the results.
Overall, the researcher did a poor job with their sampling distribution as well as their choice in questioning. The results cannot be extended to more general audiences and are applicable to first and second year university students at the Ontario Western University.
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Any time I hear a loud bike or car, I just assume the owner is really poor, and can't afford anything that isn't falling apart. It's really sad, honestly. I hope, one day, they get a good deal on something that doesn't so obviously showcase the things they're insecure about 😉
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Especially with an EV. They’ll say the noise == power, and I’ll be amused as my EV silently and effortlessly leaves them behind.
To me the silence is a big part of it, not just all the low end torque. The silence makes it seem effortless
While I do appreciate the engineering required, the hundreds of moving parts, the exotic alloys and precision machining to have all the parts clattering and clanking to move a car forward ….. in the same way I appreciate the engineering of steam engines. Lesly’s get this legacy engineering in the museums and steampunk festivals where it belongs
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Around here, people pay a lot of money to make their cars/trucks/bikes sound loud and shitty. Yeah, you do occasionally see a clapped out beater being loud too, but they are the rare exception now.
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Your comment is a bit hard to follow, but in my experience, the expensive cars are much louder than the one falling apart.
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A bad exhaust can be extremely loud, but while it negatively impacts comfort, noise level, and emissions it doesn't impact the drivability or safety of the vehicle. So people who struggle to cover the costs of vehicle maintenance will often neglect it.
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