Anon doesn't like reddit

4chan was hating on Reddit before it was cool
- Reddit is cool?
  
  Ah, the ol’ lemmy switcheroo!
  
  I think they meant that hating on reddit is cool.
- Yeah but what good has ever come from 4chan?
  Always seemed like a place for people to be subversive and provide a haven for hate and degeneracy.

updoots encourages circlejerk
I mean, making a post about hating on Reddit, on Lemmy, is pretty circlejerky too at this point.
- true.
  anyway, fuck spez.
  
  70 >:)
- I mean, making a post about hating on Reddit, on Lemmy, is pretty circlejerky too at this point.
  There's a key difference, at least when it comes to hating Reddit.
  Most [all?] users here have actual, informed reasons to hate Reddit, from past experiences with the site. They aren't simply joining some bandwagon due to social expectations to bend to the crowd.
  
  And it's still a circle-jerk

It's already dead. r/wholesomememes decided to allow only original content (no bots or reposts), and, after two days the only post was one begging human users to post anything original.
There are no users left. It's bots all the way through, like maggots in a rotting corpse.
- holy fuck, i didnt know it was quite that bad
- Except... it looks like people did start posting. So the users were crowded out by bots before and they're posting now. That just shows that Reddit isn't dead, but it does have too many bots.
  I mean, I'm sure many people here wish there was more non-bot content. It's annoying to see something on Reddit and come back here and see the same thing.
  
  Saw a stat the other day, and I can't speak to accuracy. But the claim was that like 58% I think of all content online is bots.
- It’s already dead. r/wholesomememes decided to allow only original content (no bots or reposts), and, after two days the only post was one begging human users to post anything original.
  Asking people to post on their sub is fuckin hilarious to me. Like that's some major, pressing issue in anyone's life.
  "Sorry, I can't hang out today. Wholesome Memes subreddit needs me to post there! I'm doing it for the shareholders! Without them, reddit would never survive!"
  Like.... Is this how he expected that to go..???
  
  If you read it, the mod certainly didn't beg. They just mentioned that they're still blocking bots and to not be discouraged from posting original content.
  Also I find it highly doubtful that the mods of that subreddit are concerned about shareholders. Why would a mod care about money when they're not even getting paid? They most likely just care about keeping the community alive.
  Not to take away the point. Which I think is something most Lemmy users have realized ages ago, reddit is so full of repost bots that it makes gallowboob look like a saint. So much in fact that after two days, not a single original post has occurred in a subreddit with a reported 17 million followers.
- 17m members and only 2 posts in the last 24 hours as of right now lol
  
  It's tragic, really. Reddit used to be great. Enshittification sucks.

It dies every time someone stops using it.
- The bots will continue to churn like npcs in an abandoned mmo.
- Disenchantment is the little death.
  
  I thought fear was the little death???

I'd argue discord is even worse.
- Id say discord is a good place for already enstablished friend groups to hang out
  
  It's an excellent chat program (except it's pretty buggy on mobile). But it doesn't function well as a forum replacement. The lack of discoverability is a big problem.
  
  Yeah.. shooting some nonsense back and forth. But game devs that shoehorn stuff into discord making everything objectively worse while making everything unfindable.. it drives me nuts!
  
  username checks out
  
  discord requires a phone number to create an account. hard pass.
- Most toxic moderators of large subreddits does come from discord.
- Oh definitely. At least Reddit can be searched (let's see for how long though)
  
  That's an adult themed subreddit. You'll need to sign in on the app thanks!
  
  At least Reddit can be searched _by google or on site_^1,2,3
  1 terms and conditions do apply
  2 you need an account for some subreddits
  3 you also need the app for some subreddits
- It's a toss up, for me. Both managed to capture all discussion on major open source projects.
  
  Yeah, I feel dirty for even saying this....
  Reddit allows site wide search, and recently contracted with Google to make their content accessible. Also old reddit content is searchable and thread based conversations can be followed.
  Discord is just a vast collection of independent black holes that gobble up information and data while its users collectively yell into the void of chat channels.
- Yeah, it's just that devs of games guide everyone there and try and shoehorn it in. I don't know how or why devs do this.. just run your own forum with a chat module.

Why is lemmy obsessed with talking about its ex
- Goes to Google and types in a search
  Reddit
  Reddit
  Forum post that links back to Reddit
  YouTube that's just a bunch of screenshots of Reddit over an automated voice
  Reddit again
  Why won't my ex leave me the fuck alone?
  
  Reddit actually solved that problem for me by blocking themselves from appearing in Bing search results.
  
  Yeah, I've long since stopped using Google. Theres not any search engines I've found that mimic Google in its height, but many of them are better than what Google is now. Even bing.
  
  Goes to Google and types in a search
  
  Reddit Reddit Forum post that links back to Reddit YouTube that’s just a bunch of screenshots of Reddit over an automated voice Reddit again
  Why won’t my ex leave me the fuck alone?
  Oh boy... Just wait until they go full into Gemini. They're starting to use Gemini and AI in general for search capabilities.
- She did me dirty bro she deserves it
- That's just the way it is.
  When Reddit was new, it mentioned Digg a lot.
  When Digg was new, it mentioned /. a lot.
  When /. was new (yes, I was there, too), it mentioned Usenet a lot.
  At some points in time, the likes of The WELL, the Facepunch forums and Metafilter got their own mentions, prompting me to check them out.
  
  No Fark? No Plastic?
- Agreed. Lemmy has its own issues .
  
  Yeah, at the core, people cause problems when the group gets too big to be a tight knit one. There are also a not insignificant amount of people, who get together, with antisocial behavior in mind. When you have thousands of people, posting on some community forum, it will be impossible for it not have some serious underlying issues. Not to even think of the scale of places like reddit, where that forum could have millions of users.
  Back in the day, when IRC ruled the social scene of the internet, it was hard to control a channel that had 100+ people on it, forget about crowds orders of magnitude larger.

Whenever I stumble on reddit I make sure to post disinformation or some kind of dumb shit to throw a wrench into the LLM training data they sell to google.
- I have literally over a hundred permabanned accounts on that site.
  
  That's impressive, I think I've got half a dozen.
  
  I just got another one today for "harassment" of zionism in r/worldnews. Reddit cannot hold a free discussion and they know it. They can't even let you speak to expose their bullshit, and permaban you when you do.
  I can you show you the comment which got me banned. I was literally asking questions which they know the answer for but censor intentionally because they are bought and controlled by awful groups directly linked to the IDF themselves. They have a division who train and employe teens as stupid Hasbara trolls who don't know history and unable to hold a discussion.
- Make sure to have some LLM generate the comment for you, as LLMs learning synthetic data may fuck them up over time: AI models fed AI-generated data quickly spew nonsense
  
  I hate to ruin this for you, but if you post nonsense, it will get downvoted by humans and excluded from any data set (or included as examples of what to avoid). If it's not nonsensical enough to be downvoted, it still won't do well vote wise, and will not realistically poison any data. And if it's upvoted... it just might be good data. That is why Reddit's data is valuable to Google. It basically has a built in system for identifying 'bad' data.
- this is an ancient and noble practice known as shitposting, no need to call it something else :)

"ruins the Internet"? This coming from 4chan? That's rich
- 4chan is kinda the sump of the Internet. All the crud sinks there.
  
  Shit usually floats.
- 4chan, in part, ruined real life. So much of the initial meme buzz around Trump came directly from 4chan - god emperor, etc. /b/ and /pol/ had large coordinated campaigns to boost Trump for lulz and to fuck with people. These made the news occasionally and were sometimes quite wide-reaching. Edit: not to forget Qanon, pizzagate, etc.
  Additionally, 4chan is responsible for a massive swathe of meme culture more broadly. Most people don't dredge its depths or even know "the hacker named 4chan" exists, but it has been a massively influential force.
  
  imo redditors and 4channers think too highly of themselves if they believe they have real influence on elections. Most people aren't online (except for Facebook), and politics are much more readily explained by material causes such as the Dems fcking up the post 2008 economic recovery and going for austerity instead of investment. The biggest proximate cause (non-material/economic) is just that hilldawg ran a bad campaign that didn't focus enough on swing states (but she won the popular vote, congratulations).
- 4chan doesn't nearly have the kind of traffic to ever have ruined the internet.
  
  It used to. Used to be the #1 most visited website worldwide for many years.

So many on Reddit bitch and moan about reddit. Just delete your account and use alternatives if you hate it so much.
- I was one of those. Before Lemmy, nothing was truly an alternative for Reddit. There were alternative Twitter-like sites up the ass and Facebook; but nothing similar to Reddit's layout/presentation.

Reddit doesn’t even like Reddit.
- It's like a teenager.

Forgot
APIcalypse
sold user content to AI
let's only Google index.
- • A website built by unpaid users and mods that Reddit wants to profit off of.

I miss the IMDB discussions under each film..
Was great to finish a film and have a question or and ideas and be able to talk about it.
- It's not exactly a replacement, but TV tropes provides a lot of satisfaction on this front.
  
  Abandon all hope ye who enter there!
- Totally. I was so pissed when they stopped it. And now it's just a gargantuan prime-advertiser.
- We have discussion posts from time to time on !movies@lemm.ee

Restricting search results to reddit is still a nice way to filter out corporate junk and just get honest end user opinion on things. As much as I hate the management of the platform now, you have to remember that Reddit didn't always used to be shit. Aaron Swartz was a co-founder.
- Aaron Swartz was a co-founder.
  Swartz has been six feet under for longer than some Lemmyites have been alive.
- It is rapidly becoming an unviable way to find info these days. I have to specifically ignore anything from the past couple years.
- at this point I get like 75% fuck spez/etc post edits instead
- Eh, I still get Reddit results through DDG. They may not be fresh, but they seem to still be in the index, and honestly, that's fine because I only really care about the older content.
- You still have to filter through bots posing as real people replies on some posts high in google results

I use it less and less. I only really visit two sub reddit, and one of them has been really declining as it has grown.
- To be fair reddit is still better than some instances of lemmy
- If you use Inoreader, you can just skip going to it for the most part.
  
  Please elaborate

The hardcore forums survived.
- Are you kidding? They were some of the first to go.
  
  What makes you think so? I read hardcore as 'small and tight-knit', exactly the kind of forum that could survive easily on user donations and due to the more personal relationship there's more loss in leaving it. I know some forums that fit that description that are still around now.

I've made an active effort to bookmark any active forums I come across. Even Lemmy doesn't quite fill the niche that actual forums provide, though it is still useful.
- What's your favorite forum?
  
  Civfanatics. I actually joined up long before I ever signed up for Reddit. It's probably the one site besides Youtube that I've consistently used since middle school.
- Lemmy still has a lot of problems reddit does, just smaller and weirder. It's probably not possible to create a "perfect" social media platform, but there still seems like room for a new type of social network that's federated but isn't a clone of something else.
- I still use reddit for looking up information even after deleting my account. Yesterday i decided i wanted to compile the zen kernel for fedora. And reddit had the best guide for doing so. And what settings were worth a damn.

Nobody likes reddit. Nobody. Everyone is just stuck with it and spez's dumbass moneygrubbing bullshit.
- I wonder how long that'll last now that's it a public company (or will be? I actually haven't kept up on it too much)

It's gonna die like Digg or Fark ... Which are still around, but shells of their former selves. TBH most normal folks haven't even heard of Reddit, let alone Lemmy or Mastodon.
- I disagree with you on how well known Reddit is, it's been mentioned in enough news stories over the years that most people have heard of it, even if they've never been there.
  
  Yeah, the name was picking up steam. If they hadn't fucked it up that name would be been gold in 1 or 2 years.
- Since about 2018, I’ve gotten the sense that most internet users know about Reddit, but are embarrassed to admit they know about Reddit.
- AI means Reddit will always look alive at a glance.
  Like you still get some people complaining that lemmy isn’t active enough for them to leave Reddit, even though they’re just hanging out with bots all day.

bans controversial subreddits
They are ruining valuable conversation by banning GasTheKikes and Jailbait. My free speech!!! /s

Will the bots be what ends it?
- Eventually it'll be all bots jerking themselves off
  
  AI really is taking our jobs, huh?
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory
- Half the users may as well be bots anyway, it's just dorks yelling the same catch phrases at each other in the comments.
  
  Have a look at r/wholesomememes; they decided to allow only original content (no bots or reposts), and, after two days the only post was one begging human users to post anything original.
  Much more than half the users are bots.

My account has been banned for like 2 years but I can still watch porn so idc.

"Ruins the internet"
I happen to remember the forum culture of the mid-late 2000s. It wasn't that great.
- I do recall that people were extraordinarily toxic online. Reddit for a few years was a breath of fresh air but then got too big.
- It was better though. Wouldn't call it good. But definitely better.
  
  Gotta disagree with that. I remember the rampant elitism and tribalism, the shock-culture, isolation of communities, casual bigotry that would make modern 4chan blush, arbitrary forum rules irregularly enforced, etc etc etc.
  For all the modern internet's problems, its communities are much more connected, it's much more accessible and less elitist, that shock-culture died out, the casual bigotry became contentious instead of accepted, and corporate running the show on most of these sites means that appeals and reversals are much easier than when you would rub some mod the wrong way and get permabanned from a forum you were a long-time member of. Never happened to me, but I saw it numerous times.
- It was pretty great, actually. So much creativity, everyone has a normal voice, no YouTube celebrities
  
  So much creativity, everyone has a normal voice,
  ...
  You might be wearing nostalgia goggles.
- Wish I could experience it
  
  It had unique pieces, and a lot that I genuinely miss. But... there was also a LOT of bullshit that wouldn't pass muster nowadays.

It was dead to me over here until you posted about it. Want a reddit hate circle jerk updoot buddy?

They will also just casually full bore ban you because you were mass reported.
That's what someone I talked to theorized happened to me.
I was banned for posting "I think my right to punch Nazis should be protected by law".
Not kill, murder, maim, I didn't even name any groups where there was a lick of grey area, Nazis, the one group that since WWII, everyone has agreed are alright as a universal bad guy.
- I had a 10+ year old account with like 1.5m karma get full stop banned for reasons behind my comprehension. I wasn't doing any overt racism, misogyny, violent rabble rousing... Nothingworse than vehemently disagreeing with somebody and calling them an idiot or a clown.
  I only suspect I triggered a nerve which got me mass reported to an extent that I got caught in the dragnet. Being disagreeable was a ban worthy offensive maybe??
  Overly sensitive fuckwits with brittle feelings. I am the same ol' dumbass I always was but the culture shifted towards "business casual" away from being more like "diet 4chan"
  
  I had an account of similar magnitude banned. Why? Because on January 6th, on the very day, I wondered aloud why there weren't soldiers repelling the crowd of insurrectionists trying to overthrow our democracy with machine gun fire. I'm sorry, but if a crowd of thousands of people shows up with the intent of hanging the vice president and overthrowing the government? Well, you made your choice if you're in that group. The correct response to a group like that is to first give them plenty of warning. But if they persist, use whatever force is necessary to repel them.
  Other things I've been banned for:
  Telling an overt bigot posting in an LGBT sub to go kindly "go die in a fire."
  Suggesting, before the ruling, that if SCOTUS ruled that the president was completely above the law that he should simply drone strike Supreme Court justices to produce a majority on the court that would repeal his new powers.
  Evading bogus bans.
  At this point I've got a lifetime ban from there. And you know what? I'm fine with it. The policies on reddit remind me of the blind "zero tolerance" policies that have screwed over so many in American high schools. When I was in high school years ago, the standard was "zero tolerance" for violence of any kind. If a bully attacked a victim, they would both get in trouble. Being the victim was no defense. It was zero tolerance, zero thought. And that is the standard that is now used on reddit. They'll still allow racist dogwhistles and entire subreddits run by hate groups, but as long as you don't cross a handful of explicit lines, you're fine. You can openly celebrate the deaths of tens of thousands of people in Gaza, but tell one bigot to go die in a fire, and suddenly you're banned.
- Dude I once got banned from a sub for quoting the first Captain America movie. Punch a Nazi every day!