Reports: Russia Hits NATO Member Romania With Kamikaze Drone
Reports: Russia Hits NATO Member Romania With Kamikaze Drone
Although Kremlin strike planners probably didn’t intend to hit a NATO member, Romania’s military launched F-16s fighters and said it would investigate.
A Russian kamikaze drone on Wednesday flew into NATO air space and detonated near a Romanian village, Ukrainian news reports said, but official Bucharest said the fact of the strike wasn’t confirmed and that they would check.
Ukrainian social media video recorded in the river port city of Izmail, opposite Plaura, showed an orange flash lighting up the night horizon and a booming blast on the Romanian side of the river. Flames and smoke reaching hundreds of meters into the sky were visible following the explosion. A Russian kamikaze drone strike against Izmail had been in progress at the time.
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Article 5...
an unmanned drone harmlessly crashing into a field isn’t going to kick off world war 3… at least I sure hope not.
While this is not worthy of ww3, defending nato member space is something nato can and should do. Whether the strike is intended or not, nato is legitimate to defend the area to prevent a strike. More than legitimate in fact.
I’m sure NATO has already attended to the scene to defend against a small pile of debris scattered in a field.
I wonder what russian trolls like you would say if a nato missile would fall in crime, which is not even Russia.
I was glad to see how scared Russia was when a US plane flew over sueden not long ago. :-)
Since we’re providing missiles to Ukraine, a whole bunch of NATO missiles are landing in Crimea, I’m sure. I’d prefer if the war ended, personally, with a fully independent Ukraine.
Sorry for not wanting a massive death toll over something that literally doesn’t matter at all. If Russia intentionally hit some Romanian village with an attack, then a response would be justified. Some random trash accidentally crashing near the border doesn’t matter.
That doesn’t make me a russian troll, it just makes me a relatively sensible person.
It makes you a troll. Nato is not launching those missiles. And even those launched by Ukraine don't fall in Russia. Meanwhile Russian missiles, launched by Russia, are falling in Romania and Poland.
And I'm not advocating for war either. But you don't avoid war by looking like an idiot in front of an idiot who only respect strength.
Nato is not the one to decide war. Russia is. And as long as nato is cowardly shying away from doing anything, Russia will take whatever it wants and murder people in impunity. But if course you don't care as long as you're not the victim.
WW3? the world against Russia?
More than half the world is in support of Russia, mostly because they do not support the USA proxy war or NATO. If by "the whole world" you mean NATO, then not even that considering the support isn't unanimous. The remainder is indifferent, don't really care one way or the other.
Lmao more like the Alabama National Air Guard against Russia. The Coast Guard could dust their navy at this point.
NK will be their Japan, while Africa becomes a mishmash (again), China plays as a USSR type and Greece can be the new Italy.
I guess Hungary is candidate for newItaly 🤔
Why are you guys so eager for young men going to war to die?
I don't want young men to die, I want the Russians to go home, return Ukrainian sovereign territory, and live peacefully. I don't want Russians bombing and killing Ukraine or any other nation. I want them to fuck off, and if they won't fuck off, I want the Ukrainian military to kill them all and protect themselves.
This is so gutless. "Well sure I'd prefer unicorns and rainbows but KILL KILL KILL"... just say what you really mean and stand by it.
I thought I was pretty clear, I want Russia to give back Ukrainian sovereign territory and leave back to UN recognized Russian borders and stop the war. There is no peace process without them leaving Ukraine alone.
That's not a serious negotiating position when Russia is winning. Shit like this is getting people killed.
Rewarding invasions gets people killed.
sovereign territory
East ukraine is composed of 90% ethnic russians and the dividing line was imposed on them by a foriegn power, I dont think 'sovereign' applies. I could see that for West ukraine but it doesnt seem like Russia is interested in that either.
Great, we all want the same thing, why is Ukraine and NATO not working toward a peace agreement? Why did NATO give weapons to Ukraine to propagate a war that they were always going to lose?
If they were always going to lose, then why are we multiple years in to a 3 day special operation?
Ukraine is entitled to the protection of its sovereignty above all else, and it is entitled to seek help in that effort. Peace cannot come at the cost of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.
Russia never said it was going to be a three day operation. That was Lukashenko; you're getting the basic facts of the situation wrong.
Losing slow doesn't mean you had a realistic shot at winning, either.
Because they offered "fuck off and we can have peace" but russia wants to keep eastern UA territories
And how exactly do they get those eastern territories back?
By russia withdrawing and recognizing other sovereign countries' borders. That'd be a good start.
Cool, they are not going to do that so what is the actual way to get back the eastern territories?
They mean 'kill every single ukranian in east ukraine' as they where trying to do pre-2020.
Who was trying to kill them?
The US-backed Ukrainian coup government and western Ukrainian fascists were trying to kill the eastern Ukrainian untermensch for the nine years before this war started.
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- CouterPunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
west ukraine
Im not sure what youre expecting here. You asked why NATO and Ukraine won't negotiate peace.
They tried. Years ago. Russia said fuck you and invaded further.
Now you moved the goal posts to seek blame on the defenders side again.
They actually had a tentative agreement in Spring of 2022, but then NATO flew in and offered them money and weaponry so they could fight more. I am not moving the goal posts I am just telling you what reality is - Ukraine is going to lose, there is no other outcome.
They either agree to peace on the current borders, which Russia is offering, or the war drags on for another 2 years and they dont have a choice in surrender (this comes with another 200k+ dead)
I dont care about nationalism personally, I only care about the lives of the working class. As such, any route to peace should be persued as quickly as possible.
To punish the organization that started the war.
Punishing violence with violence may seem like fighting fire with fire, but fire doesn’t respond to operant conditioning or compute game theory.
When an intelligent agent is causing problems, making problems for that agent is a way to signal that you’ll use your social power to alter their decision tree until they start playing nice again.
So to punish politicians that started a war you are willing to have hundreds of thousands of young men and civilians die? How exactly does that punish politicians that are not there and whos kids down have to fight?
Why doesn't Russia just go home? Why is it up to Ukraine to do anything but defend itself?
They signed a treaty so are beholdent to the terms of the treaty.
Russia wont just go home because they see Ukraine joining nato as an direct threat to their survival. Why did NATO agree to consider Ukraine as a potential NATO member when they knew it would likely cause war?
Russia pushed Ukraine into seeking NATO membership when they attacked them in 2014. Ukraine was neutral before that.
And NATO pushed Russia to take over Crimea when it helped to overthrow an elected government. Where does it stop?
I love how Russia invading other countries is always everyone else's fault. Hilarious.
So you think its irrelevant what the opinions of other countries just as long as your government thinks its right? How many wars could have been avoided by listening to the grievances of other cultures?
There are already young men going to war to die.
Why have more? Better yet why not try to stop the ones that are?
more to stop it faster.
This whole war was 100% avoidable and you think that escalating it would make it end faster... dude...
Every war was just as avoidable as this one. Yet we live in a world where not everyone wants to avoid war.
War is what happens when those who want to avoid it are forced into interaction with those who don’t.
If those who don’t want war simply choose not to fight, then a state worse than war exists.
avoidable how? Putin wants his old territories, like crimea, back. How is his land grab 100% avoidable?
Crimea had been in Russian hands for nearly a decade when Russia invaded.
Right, and Putin wanted more than just Crimea.
Nearly a decade since they took it from Ukraine. So the solution to avoid war is handing Russia all territory they want? Where does that stop? At the polish border? At the German border? French border? At the Atlantic?
The point here is that you don't even know the basic facts you're talking about. Russia didn't want Crimea in 2022; they already had it.
It's also laughable -- genuinely embarrassing -- to suggest Russia is trying to conquer all of Europe. Pure fantasy plucked straight out of thin air.
As for deterrence, that's already been accomplished, especially if you believe the casualty numbers Ukranian propaganda puts out. Clearly there is a cost to war. The goal now is to end the fighting on as favorable of terms as you can realistically get.
Well yeah, they had it in 2022 because they wanted it in 2014 when they took it from the sovereign country of Ukraine.
And I am not suggesting anything, I was asking where they will stop after conquering Crimea and currently trying to conquer Ukraine. So, where will they stop - if at all?
I think different parties have different goals in this war. And in general I think the goal of a sovereign country, to stay sovereign within their own borders is not an illegitimate goal.
It was all about Ukraine joining nato. Had there been a promise that Ukraine would not join nato, this war would not have happened. The people in charge knew this and decided to do seek Ukraine joining nato anyways, why would they do this if they knew it would cause war?
Bullshit. Crimea was invaded mere days after the change of power in 2014, far before anyone of note was seriously talking about Ukraine joining NATO. Support for separatists elsewhere soon followed. It was about Russia exerting a "sphere of influence" that it felt entitled to. The Russian leadership can't seem to get that countries are joining NATO because of Russian imperialism, past and present.
Russia took over Crimea due to the overthrow of the Pro russian government with a pro west government, a thing they also found as direct provocation. Why did Russia invade Georgia?
Nato entering would basically be an overwhelming force against Russia. It's going to end real quick after that.
That would kill millions at minimum and likely result in nuclear war. It's utterly psychopathic to cheerlead this and totally detached from the horrors you're wishcasting. Disgusting.
Okay so you want a hot war between Russia and NATO and you think that would be less violent?
Where are you getting your information from?
So then russia uses tactical nukes, then what?
Putin would know fully well that M.A.D. isnt worth it over the russo-ukranian war.
You apparently don't
Are you aware that he has threatened this multiple times? Who do you think Ukraine is more imporant to Russia (its neighbor) or the US (a country on the other side of the world where a good portion of people couldnt point to it on a map)?
War is death. There is no glory. There is no pride. None of them are heroes by choice, and many never feel like heroes after their friends die by their side.
War is violence. A desire of man to take with force the independence of a people and exchange that for subservience under the guise of land, resources, need.
Young people are tricked to serve. Recruited to become servants, coerced through deceit to don colors and weapons. Made to repeat mistakes because smaller men want and are not freely given. To solely defend and defy the overreaching end of a tyrant's sword is to fight for reason earned from treachery and desire.
Humanity is not defined by grief. We are defined by the selfless acts of love and kindness in the darkest hours. Make no mistake; monsters do exist, and the worst are never the ones in harm's way.
But sometimes you need to punch a bully in the mouth to protect the subject of their bullying. The only thing needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. In this case it would be a selfless act of love and kindness.
sometimes you need to punch a bully in the mouth to protect the subject of their bullying
How would you describe what Azov paramilitary groups were doing in eastern Ukraine from about 2014-2022
Almost like propagating breakaway "states" in all of your neighbors territories empowers nationalist in said neighboring states?
How would you describe what Igor Girkins "paramilitary" group were doing in eastern Ukraine in 2014? You know, when he wasn't shooting down a plane full of civilians......
When an individual does that, they are doing so with a clear choice that they made. In a war, men die and leave families behind, and because they chose to defend their country, they are used to defend the interests of those with long swords and heavy sticks. They die without a choice far too often because they were tricked into believing they defend their homes.
All too often they're forced into conflict that has very little to do with that choice. If our military didn't try so hard to coerce and trick younger people into joining and thus being forced into conflict, I would be a bit less resentful and hateful towards the practice. That, however, is not the case.
Kings all of mountains one day dust...
good thing that even NATO leadership isn't this psychotic
I liked being called a psycho, why did you edit your comment?
Trying to keep things more civil, but seems that I was not wrong in my assessment. You should really go sign up for the foreign legion.
Yeah, no lol. This was a troll comment from the start, so please don't take it seriously.
Although, seeing what essentially triggered WW1, I wouldn't be too surprised if Romania actually invokes Article 5 since this is just another world war waiting to happen after years of built up pressure (The invasion of Ukraine, nuclear threats from North Korea, the East gathering up allies etc.).
Article 5 has absolutely no meaning unless US decides that it wants to fight Russia directly, which would result in a nuclear holocaust and end of our civilization. Europe simply does not have the industrial capacity to keep up with Russia on its own, nor does it have a cohesive and experienced army that could possibly stand up to Russia.
I don't think any country would be crazy enough to use nuclear weapons really, even if it means they will lose, though I might be underestimating Putin and the like.
Eh. I can see some air strikes into Russia without a nuclear response. Putin may be losing it a bit but as long as there aren't boots on the ground other Russians won't let him go completely crazy.
I'm sure Russia will be happy to give Yemen some Iskanders to do strikes on US assets in the region as a response.
Eh... so russia can not take Ukraine but is superior to Europe. Makes sense. Is it the experienced cohesive army of russia that is capturing Kyiv on day looks at notes 3 of looks at calendar 886?
Wow that's such insightful analysis you've got there. Let's just see what people who actually have clue on the subject have to say https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine
There was no analysis. Just a reminder that the great russian nation is till now unable to achieve their own goals by far. Nothing else.
If the rusi analysis eases your itch, so be it.
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Just because Article 5 is activated doesn't mean we're going to war. It was activated on 9/11.
There's a small small chance Article 4 will be activated, which could be used for some mobilization (but is clerical, to summon NATO for discussion). But I think nothing happens.