There are too many of these people on lemmy

Fuck all imperialist and hierarchical power structures. Fuck colonialism and fuck the police. Fuck fascists and the libs that enable them.
- Xi Jinping is a fascist, and I don't think it was liberals that enabled him
  
  Xi's also an imperialist and implemented a hierarchical government. Nothing I said was paradoxical. Fuck 'em all.
  
  The only country actually running over people with tanks is Israel and does it with the unconditional support of the US
  Liberals as always don’t see Arabs as people. Don’t you dare come asking for our votes.
- Hear fuckin hear!
- How many billionaires before a country is a liberal shit-hole?
  600?
  675?
  
  Idk man, one seems like too many to me.
- Here here
- Punk is not dead
- 'The Libs,' LOL!!!!
  From a anon American, it's hilarious seeing the hick come out. 'the Libs hur durrr.'
  Hahaha that shits always funny
  
  You're replying to a leftist, not a conservative "hick."
- And by "liberal" you mean anyone who dares criticise Daddy Putin and Supreme Leader Xi, amirite?
  
  Dude my very first sentence was "Fuck all imperialist and hierarchical power structures." How can you think that I support China or Russia?
  
  you're such an online edgelord that you're fighting straw men of your own creation. sign off, your family probably misses you.
  
  They clearly wrote fuck hierarchical powers. Fuck any supreme leader.
  
  They think liberal is the same as neoliberal
- imperialism is the subjugation of one country for the benefit of the first. DPRK is not imperialist (how could it be under UN sanctions), PRC is not imperialist, USSR was not imperialist.
  Communists critically support the DPRK, the USSR, and the PCR, progressive liberals uncritically support Obama, Biden, conservative liberals uncritically support Trump, Bush, etc
  read lenin.
  https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/
  Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense?
  It won't do!
  It won't do!
  You must investigate!
  You must not talk nonsense!
  https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-6/mswv6_11.htm
  The instance you use is named after an Ikea plush. I will not debate you.
  
  The South China Sea, Poland and most of eastern Europe would like a word...
  Edit: Oh, and Tibet, Taiwan, etc...
  
  Look dude I've worked with many MLs and MLMs. I've read some of both Lenin and Mao's works. I think the recent rhetoric of calling communists fascist is wholely harmful to the left and I don't participate in it. I never called the DPRK imperialist for obvious reasons. I didn't even call the PRC imperialist because I do recognize that western media is not a reliable source on the matter. I recognize my own ignorance in these matters and don't take part in uncritically decrying post-revolution communist states.
  We disagree on the way a just society should be structured, or the methods of achieving that end. I consider authoritarianism and unjust hierarchies as a problem of both capitalism and state communism, but as long as my viewpoints can be heard and addressed, I personally don't have issue with MLs and MLMs. The atrocities of capitalism far outweigh the failures of established communist states.
  
  USSR was not imperialist.
  Countries like Estonia might disagree with you there, buddy.
  
  'The instance you use is named after an Ikea plush. I will not debate you.'
  This JK Rowling?
  
  I think you proved their point. Also, your ad hominem attack (or ad urbem attack) could be construed as transphobic.
  
  Lmao

These "tankies" are conservative right-wing shitbag trolls trying to convince the normal people that supporting oppression and dictators is somehow "left-wing". Do not fall for their conservative bullshit.
Just like any other conservative, every word they utter is deception or manipulation. Tankies are conservative trolls through and through.
- That's a no true Scotsman argument.
  There are plenty of actual tankies here. In fact, the Lemmy software is created by tankies and one of the larger Lemmy instances is run by them.
  
  From what I've seen, there's a big divide amongst the tankies. There are those who are basically Stalin MAGA, base their political opinions on Soviet aesthetics and don't consider much the practical implications of their actions. Some simply lash out against mainstream liberal ideology and others are just trolls.
  Ane the other camp is made of people who read a lot of communist philosophy and are absolutely convinced the only way to achieve an equal society is by forcing everyone into it. This has its own problems, but they at least have an internally coherent ideology.
  That's not to say I agree with either camp. Their ideology promotes a vanguard party which can quickly spiral into "some are more equal than others". Absolute power corrupts absolutely and all that. But I do understand where the second camp is coming from. I think the path to a better world lies in trade unions and people coming together to defend common interests.
  
  There are plenty of actual tankies here.
  When a term becomes an insult, it's very difficult to use it as anything other than an insult.
  I more often see "tankie" used to decribe anti-war liberals than pro-war leftists.
- Both r/conservative and lemmy.ml are equally frightened of facts.
- In my own experience with actual Communists (I do live in a country which has them), they're some of the most conservative people around.
  I mean, these people are holding on really hard to political slogans which often are a century old or near it and they genuinelly an uncritically think all that stuff is Leftwing even in the face of all evidence that such forms invariably led to the creating of new Elites and to lesser or greater extent Dystopian Societies, never the promised Equalitarian Utopia.
  Plenty of Lefties around who trully believe in Leftwing Principles without the insane tribalism of following the dictats of The Party.
  Personally I just saw this meme as referencing such traditionalist unthinking muppets who think of themselves as Lefties all the while defending the well installed and entrenched establishment and elites of a few specific countries.
  
  Russia was and is a culturally conservative country. The USSR made some early progress towards equality for women and LGBT folk, and turned it right back around a bit later. Russification under the Czar--trying to get all the diverse ethnic minorities to just be Russian--was simply turned into a Stalinist version of the same thing. The fundamental authoritarianism of the Czar never left, but it was given a Marxist coat of paint.
  
  Well a lot of that can be explained by the fact that conservatives co-opted the left wing movements for communism and largely turned them into dictatorships. These governments endured several decades before collapsing, which allows newer conservatives to think of them as "the good ol days."
  It doesn't mean they ever were communists. They just stole the name and ruined its reputation.
- I'd bet that most of them aren't trolls. I have friends who were liberal as you could be, but they let cynicism turn them into tankies.
  
  Well there's basically two kinds of tankie:
  The grifters who run the cult and sell the rhetoric in exchange for clout, authority, arrogant self-importance, and the extraction of material support through abuse and exploitation,
  And the cope-starved simps who are desperate to feel like they are doing something practical about their material conditions but have been too enervated after being fucked raw by corporate liberalism to actually do anything.
  Remember Caleb Maupin? Exposed as a coercive sex pest? Ran a "commune" that was little more than a shoddy knockoff of a human trafficking operation? Yeah. That's tankie "leadership" for you.
- The association with the left-wing is the point. Otherwise it would just be calling right wing trolls conservatives and fascists, and there's a resistance to that for some reason.
- Haha no, they are real. Horseshoe theory of politics and all, what comes around goes around.
  
  And thus we have Poe's law. No matter the fiction a grifter dreams up, society will produce an emtire group that truely believe worse.

Lemmy was originally built by and for tankies, so this is completely unsurprising. The .ml TLD on the original instance isn't a coincidence.
- Lemmygrad was literally made to be an even more mask off .ml
- Weird they made a decentralized platform for one single group.
  
  They made it for themselves but let us set up instances outside of their control due to their morals that software should be open for all. Again proving the best open source software comes from scratching a personal itch.
  
  It was never closed to non-tankies, but it wasn't very welcoming. I had an account on .ml early on and most of the time I got hammered with downvotes, despite having opinions that I'd describe as being on the left edge of liberalism.
  
  I can see the decentralized platform as a communist parallel. I don't, however, understand the fanaticism for the murdery shit show dictatorship that was Russia/China though.
  
  It's almost like the dishonest nature is built into their every move.
  CTH has been eradicated from every platform it's arisen on, then they built Lemmy.

I had one of these fucks try to tell me that North Korea is very democratic.
- They literally have democratic in their name!!1!1!! /s
  
  A shitpile by any other name...
- Easy, NK: One man, one vote. Thus democratic.
  And the man? It's Kim.
- SEEEEE THEY HAVE ONE MORE PARTY IN PARLAMENT THAN THE USA!!!11!1! /j
  
  Wait, really? It says more about USA than about Korea. How does one become even worse than Korea? It is antiachivement.
- They turn all the lights out at night because everyone voted for it, not because they are a failing authoritarian state that struggles to keep their grid running. Allows for great stargazing from the very normal hard labor camps.

hexbear has entered the chat
- lemmygrad
  lemmy.ml too increasingly
  
  I'm seeing more and more tankies migrate to lemmy.world, because they don't do anything against them, but lemmy.world is also much less likely to get defederated by other instances. Fuck big, centralized instances. People should move to smaller, niche servers like db0, blahaj.zone, beehaw, etc.

It's weird that Mao, Sun Yat Sen, and Chiang Kai Shek, were all part of the same pro-democracy party early on in China's civil war.
Mao won the war, Sun Yat Sen got out of there, Chiang Kai Shek was pushed out and became dictator of Taiwan.
China is weird.
Also weird is that one guy caused most of the deaths from famine in both the USSR and China: A conman named Trofim Lysenko, who was lying about having a new science of agriculture... He was bury seeds way further than they could handle then faking his results to keep his job.... Killed like, 30 million people who were ordered to take up his techniques.
- About China, you know what they say, it's easier to be the opposition than to actually govern. Many of those who govern end up being corrupt or incompetent or both.
  Who knows if mainland China under ROC would have been better. People say that will be the case when we look at Taiwan. But Taiwan suffered from thirty years of so-called White Terror and Taiwan eventually democratising is arguably pure luck due to a man whose name escapes me.
  The trajectory of history is never predictable. There are far too many factors to consider; factors which are themselves caused by chain reactions of previous factors and events, which themselves are influenced by other previous events.
  
  Lee Teng-Hui is the man that helped Taiwan transition into a democracy.
  
  Chiang Kai Shek already oversaw a China beset with hyperinflation, pervasive corruption, and famine. That, too, is history.
  It's why the Maoists were able to launch a popular revolution in the first place. Chinese people had literally nothing to lose but their chains.
- If I remember it correctly, in China Mao ordered sparrow to be killed en masse because they supposedly ate the grain: turns out that what they ate were the pests that attacked the plants.
  
  95% correct, the sparrows were also eating the grain, but removing the natural predator to the far worse pests resulted in far worse famine due to an explosion in population of pests. This was one of the factors that resulted in Mao losing influence in the party over time.
- China is weird
  Is it? There are plenty of examples of smaller factions joining forces to overthrow a common enemy, who later battled it out amongst themselves.
- This is bidens fault
  /S cause lemmy

That's the average lemmy.ml user

heck you don't even have to go that far. the second picture can be pretty much every republican president whos held office. When was the last ware we started happen while a dem president was in office?
- Israel's invasion of Gaza could be considered a proxy war
  
  Howdy, Stretch!
  
  A proxy war implies they're using another nation to fight an enemy. Which enemy are they fighting? Palestine is not an enemy or threat to the US.
  You could consider Ukraine as potentially a proxy war, but you'd have to be pretty stupid or pretty mislead to think Gaza is.
  
  Source?
  
  I don't see how. you would need to consider any military action by any ally then as a proxy war for any nation. So it would be a proxy ware for most of europe to and asia and a good part of both africa and the americas.
  
  Also Ukraine
- Operation Prosperity Guardian, started by Joe. That took me about 10 seconds.
  
  More like a defense of merchant ships attacked by houthis.
  I wouldn’t call that a “war started by Joe Biden”.

Oooooh, this thread'll let my blocklist feast for days as the Tankies come out to whatabbout
Edit: Man yall are too kind! Thank you for helping me make Lemmy a more intelligent place! <3
- it's an honor getting to avoid shitlibs; block me too.
- Oooh, block me too!
  
  Hell yeah brother!
- Add me! I don't see a single decent leader in this meme, but governance/economic debate by mascot is counterproductive.
  
  Done!
- Bro tankie doesnt even mean anything anymore, what are you actually saying?
  
  You said in another thread that you wished Russia had succeeded in assassinating a German arms manufacturer.
  I think it means something in your case.
  https://lemmy.world/comment/11122258

Tankies
- I'll never not be mad that humanity didn't hold off on assigning this slang until the existence of think-tanks.
  Tankie would have been PERFECT to describe the scumbags who fund them, the shills who operate them, and the simps who suck their dicks and guzzle their ~~jizz~~"policies"

omg so true, esp on the OG Lemmy instance, where even the admins/creators of Lemmy on there are tankies.
- That feeling when you get banned for mentioning Russian war crimes in Ukraine.
  
  The pain of having to walk on eggshells just in case some admins decide to have a power mod day.
  
  Ate an instance wide ban for saying democratic republics are, by definition, a form of democracy 🤷‍♂️
  
  Russia isn't even leftist? It's oil oligarchy and kleptocracy. They love authoritarianism, they don't give a shit about economics.
  
  Probably should have said Putinism war crimes instead. Everyone would agree to this.
  
  That feeling when you get banned from fediverse@lemmy.world and other communities (moderator log: "commie") for warning about bad faith actors among those spending their entire online political discourse complaining about tankies
- You mean lemmy.ml?
  
  Yes

Now, I don't like violence. But even I can see that there's a difference between violence waged for imperialism and violence waged against imperialism.
And you can see the difference too. That's why Obama and Biden always say that their wars are being waged "for freedom". That's why you accept the violence of historical revolutions like the American Revolution.
The problem is, Obama and Biden are lying when they say their wars are for freedom. Their wars are for profit and control.
- Their wars are for profit and control.
  And USSR, China etc were different?
  
  And USSR, China etc were different?
  List any war after WW2 that the USSR joined for profit. List any war that China joined in the past 40 years.
- Agreed
- But even I can see that there's a difference between violence waged forimperialism and violence waged against imperialism.
  If you think violence is against isms, you don’t understand what violence is at all.
  
  Was the French Revolution not violence against monarchism? The Haitain Revolution not against Slavery and Colonialism? The Russian Revolution not against Tsarism? The Cuban Revolution not against Fascism?

People here claiming it's not the case are just wrong. I've been banned from multiple instances and had posts deleted by these bozos. Actually authoritarians lol
- I've been banned from communities and had comments and posts deleted in lemmy.world with the mod notice being "commie".
  
  I never get any notices. I guess the problem goes both ways lol

I can agree with the text while being against the authoritarians pictured.
I just hope people don't think that everyone complaining about US imperialism is somehow fine with Russian or Chinese actions of the same hue.
The US as least has a flawed democracy.
- It's actually a breath of fresh air to see your comment. It seems way too common in certain communities and instances that "Because US has Its flaws, any opposing regime must be perfect".
  I'm not American, and most of my political standpoints boil down to anti-authoritarianism, bordering anarchism. But I'm also a pragmatist who'd take Biden over Mao any day.
  Fun fact: I'm on Xi Jinpings payroll. Not directly, but follow the hierarchy far enough upstream, and you end up with him. How's that for pragmatism?
  Anyway, I forgot where I was going with this, but it was probably my usual point: I'm fine with communists (to a certain degree). I'm not sure if you consider yourself one, but the fact that you're not a tankie who thinks Stalin did nothing wrong earns you points in my book. I'll pass on the word to Santa, Stoltenberg, Harris, and the other decadent imperial leaders to let them know that you deserve more than coal for Christmas or whatever your preferred winter holiday is.
  
  I would consider myself socialist/communist/anarchist fluid lol. The more faith I have in the goodness of people, the more anarchistic I feel. I'd say it boils down to the same for most. We all want a better world, but disagree on what will actually work to get us there
- Chinese actions of the same hue
  List any in the past 40 years
  
  Idk but I'm not fine with them.
  
  How about their navy harassing indonesiian, philipine, and Japanese boats? And the whole genocide of the Uyghurs? Stealing technology and property of international companies? Shall I go on? Because that's all within the past 5 years. Let's start with those, yeah?

Still have yet to see more than a lone tankie on any thread
Plenty of people vaguely gesturing at lemmy.ml for some reason thiugh
- You must have missed out on the great Lemmy he bear plague of 2023, back before they got themselves federated by everyone.
  Literally any comment you made was brigade's by commies attacking your lack of anti capitalism.
  
  Hexbear was largely not federated with anyone, they were their own site called Chapo.chat for a while, then Hexbear, then they started federating. Lemmy.world defederated from Hexbear before Hexbear even federated with Lemmy.world, but most instances retain federation with Hexbear. Hexbear did defederate from blahaj.zone and sh.itjust.works though, among others.
  
  Oh, hexbear. I was wondering why it feels wrong compared to my memories, had an interruption of a few months.
  They had no self-conscience too, mostly simping for Russia for whatever fetishist reason. Some American commies really seem to think there's communism in the air here or something, like with Sith magic on Korriban. It's not (we-ell, there are a few relic communist political parties and groups, but it's safe to say that they are as relevant as sovcits).
- That's nice, however your experience is the exception to the rule.
  
  They're referring to actual tankies, the dipshits who decry American authoritarianism and violence but get all warm and cozy with Chinese and past USSR authoritarianism and violence.
  The imaginary tankies you and PugJesus conjure up to whine about don't count. Neither does anyone who disagrees with you, which your lot calls tankies but actually aren't.

I'd upvote the meme if it wasn't also controversial to criticize all war criminals, including both those at the top and the bottom.
Edit: For a source, see people in this thread rushing to argue and feel called out when someone criticizes "all forms of imperialism", including the Western ones.
- "Let's criticise everything."
  I mean there is a difference, and hearing "let's criticise joe biden" after hearing about russia killing half a million people gets daunting in the long run. It feels like a new form of whataboutism.
  Sure we should criticise all bad things, but I don't really feel we are not criticising the west, quite the opposite. China, NK, Iran (Russia starts to get some, but not enough IMO) not so much.
  What about Morocco? Mauretania, Kirgizistan or Libya? Or should we only have criticism for modern societies?
  I'm open for discussion of course.
  
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-military-presence-around-the-world-interactive
  The usa is a giant military empire that literally indoctrinates children with flag swearing cultism stuff. Living in a world dominated by those fucks, who actively undermine the rules based order and refuse to rattify critical treaties/sabotage other treaties (e.g. sea floor resource stuff) is extremely stressful.
  In my country, allegedly a democracy, the usa forced our government to secretly sign a trade deal that lets US companies sue our government... directly undermining sovereignty.
  It sucks dude, we all fucking hate the usa because they ruin everything. I wouldn't want to live next to Russia but they're not fucking shit up over here so forgive me if I bitch about the dominant military empire that literally owns parts of where I live and makes us a target in war.

There are far too many of these people on _Lemmy~ Earth.

Lots of straw man wrestlers in this thread. 🥹
- What does that mean (honestly, I don't know)
  
  a straw man is a word used to describe a certain kind of logical fallacy, that being when you make up something to argue against so you sound better. in this case a "strawman Wrangler" is probably someone who's arguing against and disproving said arguments.

I was in discussion (if you can even call it that) with someone and when he spoke about "Occupied Korea" i knew there was no point what so ever to continue.
There's no laddar long enough in the world to climb out of that hole.

Has anyone ever thought that if you combined Stalin and Xi Jinping, it would probably look a lot like Kim Jong Un? Like, if you fed the two of them into a 'What would our baby look like' generator, I feel like it would be real close.

Aright anyone have a blocklist for all these extreme politics?
- anything that ends in hexbear
  
  Or lemmygrad or lemmy.ml
  
  God my feed was actually tolerable by blocking Hexbear and lemmy.ml. hell, it got better after blocking specific users before just blocking the whole instance itself.
- Hexbear, *.ml, linkerbaan, jimmydoreisalefty
  
  blocked em
- I don't see them so much, but maybe because I'm on slrpnk
- It isn't even politics most of the time. Most recently pixels were painted over on the Canvas event that someone held for Lemmy.
- !lemmy.world and !sh.itjust.works
  
  Hey, how about my server?

Too many

Liberal war criminals! Left wing criminals! Right wing criminals!
Everyone gets war crimes!
- Yup.
  Turns out, if you’re not willing to commit violence of some sort asserting power is pretty much impossible. (not saying we should assert violence, but historically, atleast since the agricultural revolution, it is rare not too see)
  
  Edit2: see the responses to this comment below. I misunderstood the above comment and shouldn't have taken mecfs to be endorsing violence.
  And that doesn't lead you to the conclusion that the state should not be exerting power over (or committing violence on) people? You really just wrote that and said 'yea this is a great defense of my political view'?
  Edit: Welcome to the mind of a liberal - where war crimes are excusable and state violence is just how things get done.
- I hear war isn't that fun.

Why is taking the position that the alternative to Americas violent hegemony is more violence?

Da

The only country actually running over people with tanks is Israel and does it with the unconditional support of the US
Liberals as always don’t see Arabs as people. Don’t you dare come asking for our votes.
- I get downvoted on here for supporting Ukraine. Russians execute Ukrainians in cold blood, or torture them first.
  Something is wrong here if we can't agree that's fucked up, AND that American support of Israel isn't right.
  I think it might have to do with the meme.
  I spend a lot more time on r/ukrainewarvideoreport now than I do here because of that. I don't have the energy to argue what is clear as day any more.
  
  What are you bringing up Ukraine for? I wish Palestinians had it as easy.
- DAE PALSTIN GENOCIDE?!
- Not true but good to know what you think of us. I wish the Democratic Party would be this honest.

- Maybe they're referring to * checks notes * continuing to run the massive death camps built by his grandfather to squash all political opposition
  
  source:

In no small part because those types of people are the main developers and because, let's face it, they need a federated medium in case their disinformation campaigns in main social networks begin to be taken down (although given how much their owners like money and that governments seem to be doing shit all to abusive behind-the-scenes misuse of them, not currently likely at all).

Lemmy is worse for political discussion than Reddit has ever been. At least Reddit has had the numbers for people to call out extreme views on either side, but the number of absolute nutjobs on here that either call for the downfall of capitalism immediately, or to let right-wing thinking slide as a natural progression of politics today. They're the sort of people that post memes about murdering Nazis in the streets, but would cower at the sight of one - or those that would happily march if they weren't so fucking awkward.
Some of us just want to enjoy the memes.
- Imagine unironically comparing wanting the end of capitalism to fascism
  
  The way of it's end matters.
  Anyone here calling for collapse is indulging in fantastical or privileged collapse fantasy. Hoping that from chaos, their preferred brand will come out on top
- Not sure I agree. Just from the number of pro-kamala threads and negative Trump threads. I don't see that much in the way of extreme views.
  
  Many people on .world are the so-called 'Reddit refugees'. I've noticed a large portion of them tend to be liberals (as in neoliberals) from the United States and accordingly think of anything left of center as "radical/extreme leftism". A few weeks back, they were all agitated over some leftist strawmen a few of their more vocal members have been fabricating to gripe about. This is likely just a continuation of the same.
  
  Unfortunately I see tankie sentiments expressed far too often on Lemmy. Case in point this very thread: https://lemmy.world/comment/11331168
  I did see this kind of extremist view expressed on Reddit too, but far less commonly than here.
  
  The extremist views are almost entirely left wing, as in like literal communism. Not like how Republicans call everything communism, but people who want honest to god Marxist-Leninist communism.
  And then there's the tankies, who pretend to like communism but actually just simp for geopolitical enemies of the US.

Only on the far left and far right is "liberal" seen as an insult.
- I think sane lefties might have a bit of a point. But then the tankies are also saying it while praising authoritarian state capitalist nations which produce hundreds of billionaires, that undermines the sane lefties.
  
  tankies are also saying it
  Nonsense. The biggest tankies I know are liberals.
- The entire left sees "liberal" as an insult, liberalism is right-wing.
  
  liberalism is right-wing
  Liberalism has several meanings, it depends on the context whether it's right or left leaning.
  Typically, in Europe, the traditional right leaning parties would call themselves "liberal". Their philosophy is classic liberalism, which places an emphasis on economic freedoms, like a free market, limited government, laissez-faire policies,... It is basically the equivalent of what they call "libertarianism" in the US.
  When conservatives in the US call people "damn libruls", they are usually referring to people with a philosophy of social liberalism, which places an emphasis on social justice, political freedoms, civil rights, individual autonomy, ... and other progressive themes. This is the left leaning version of liberalism. Tankies are also against this because individual and political freedoms are the opposite of the authoritarian philosophy they stand for.
  
  There's a name for liberals that don't deserve to be insulted, it's social democrat.
  They're almost there.
  
  Found the tankie.
- Whole right. So basically only a quartile likes being called a liberal.

I'm conditioned to disbelieve anyone who says 'based', 'mid' or 'fetch'. I prefer those who don't follow the vapid cliques.
- They really should stop trying to make fetch happen. Fetch is never going to happen.
- No one says fetch, really. Do they? Surely that's just a mean girls reference.
  Anyway - language evolves regardless of your preferences, unfortunately. Both "mid" and "based" have been around literally decades now, they are going nowhere.
- Yo, you just said all three codewords out loud, I'm just gonna block you instead of disbelieving you.

Eat shit you cocksucking motherfucking tankies. Wash your skin, I'm pretty sure your stench reaches the ISS.

It's why I went back to reddit. I check in here occasionally to check. I can handle the reddit hive if I limit where and how I participate. But the hardcore political ideologies sprinkled everywhere in lemmy ruin even a limited browsing experience for me.
- I can handle the reddit hive if I limit where and how I participate.
  "I can handle the hive mind if I only stick to echo chambers that reflect the opinions I already have."
  Like, I don't like these weird trollish opinions; but I still want to see people who disagree with me from time to time for perspective. I mean, how else can I feel superior to someone if I filter out all the idiots? 🤷🏻‍♂️
- This is the price you pay for less hive mindish environment. You won’t like every comment or post, you will hate some. That’s alright

Is the tankie in the room with us right now?
- ever been on hexbear, or grad?
  
  Guy literally just underneath this comment saying that "that whole thing was fake" in reference to the Tianenmen Square massacre.
  It's insane how some people will still insist that there are no tankies on Lemmy, and no war in Ba Sing Se.
  
  Or .ml
- Yeah
- Hexbear almost made me quit Lemmy entirely until I figured out I could just block whole communities. So there's that. Lol.

I mean Biden is supporting Israel so he ain’t any better.
- You're who this post is about.
  
  I am just saying that both are wrong
- Is genocide Kamala your next boogy man?
  
  If Kamela decides to support Israel she too will face criticism for it.
  Do you believe that to be unjust?

you could pull waayy more ugly pictures from us imperialism. or against their own.
socialists have something to show for in the form of actual progress in the quality of life of its citizens.
- socialists have something to show for in the form of actual progress in the quality of life of its citizens.
  Oh, good, so they didn't have to go to extreme measures to keep their own citizens from fleeing to the capitalist hellholes of the West?
  
  not really
  vietnamese can leave, chinese can and do go everywhere. cubans too.
- Just to remind you comrade, Soviet leaders themselves found it unbelievable how full the supermarket shelves are when they visit the West.
  South Koreans are far taller than North Koreans-- because the latter enjoy supermarket shelves always being full.
  
  Just to remind you comrade, Soviet leaders themselves found it unbelievable how full the supermarket shelves are when they visit the West
  Overly full shelves in supermarkets weren't the case in the USSR by design, not by accident. Most capitalist countries run what are called "surplus economies", in which companies normally manufacture more goods and services than they can allocate, and a certain percentage of output, as well as input, is wasted. The Soviet economy, on the contrary, ran a shortage economy. In a shortage economy, you plan the production of goods and services so that it will match the demand as closely as possible, therefore very rarely having a surplus of any good or service unless that's designed to be exported, but also not leaving any capital or any human labor available without using. Since the Soviet economy was mostly closed off to the outside world and was primarily self-reliant, it wanted to employ its resources in the most efficient way possible. Unemployment was literally 0%. Producing, say, 10% more loaves of bread, or 10% more milk, or 10% more eggs, in an attempt to create a surplus in supermarkets as in the western world, necessarily implied lowering the amount of labor and capital used in other sectors of the economy, e.g. 10% fewer electric drills or 10% fewer trolleybus parts.
  Surplus in supermarkets in the west compared to lack of surplus in supermarkets in the Soviet Union isn't a consequence of "the success" of the west, but of the different priorities and designs. Either way, surplus in supermarkets in the US isn't very useful when 40 million US citizen, of whom 12 million are children, live in food insecurity.
  
  We love our supermarket shelves, don't we folks? The biggest and the fullest in the world, mao zedong, stalin, they all love our supermarket shelves. 30 different flavors of oreos, all in one aisle. can't have that in russia, folks, can't have that, horrible country, horrible country. You can only have pizza hutt in russia, folks, believe me, or, as I call it, pizza butt, and that's only because of our favorite supreme leader gorbachev. You couldn't even choose your healthcare plan in the USSR, folks, can you believe it? They only had one plan, horrible, horrible healthcare. I'm going to go make out with supreme leader Kim, folks, but I'm going to hate every second of it, believe me.
  
  no use in having full shelves when half of the citizens in capitalist countries cant afford eating it.
  south korea is a great example of a hugely unequal society where this is the norm.

- Holy shit are you real? Are there really people who still think like this?
- Did you miss a /S there champ?
- It being broadcasted to the entire world causing a collapse of 90s era trade relationships being the intended goal of this collaborative effort to defame China, orcestrated by the secret western legion of overlords. /s
- Pro tip, you need to include the /s when you make over the top jokes like that. There are so many insane losers that actually believe it, if you don't make it clear you're not serious, you look like you're one of them.
  Hope this helps!

Whataboutism. The only way for libs to cope with reality
- Virtue signaling. The only way for Lemmy-Lefties to cope with reality.

The folks on the top bombed the middle east, and killed a lot of people.
As someone who lives there, the choice is an easy one.
- And the Soviets invaded Afghanistan with flowers and love, right??
  
  Soviet Union fell decades ago. Israel is comitting mass murder with America's blessing right now.
  
  The Soviets invaded Afghanistan, a bordering country, after the USA had armed radical theocratic militias with modern weapons. And whatever they did in Afghanistan pales in comparison with US actions in non-neighboring Vietnam. If you want to see the true impact of the USSR in central-asian countries vs that of the west, why don't you compare the Human Development Index of Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan (ex-Soviet republics) to that of Pakistan (ex-English colony).
  
  i mean afghani society was better off before the us swooped in to destroy it after the soviet era
  can't have all that progress around that much oil
- That's only because you know nothing about the history of the others, and they gave even less of a shit back then.
- Istanbul wasn’t “bombed” since Mehmet the 2nd and turkey is doing the same with the Kurds right now. So…
  Edit: Holy shit. Going through your history made me want to take a shower.
  
  whatever makes you feel better after supporting mass murder.
- Ah! And the folks on bottom?
- Do you really have to pick one side out of these two?
- And if you lived in Tibet, Taiwan, Korea, etc, you’d probably not be super into the folks on the bottom.
- They both killed a lot of people. Choose neither. Don't wish that death upon strangers.
  
  The only country actually running over people with tanks is Israel and does it with the unconditional support of the US
  Liberals as always don’t see Arabs as people. Don’t you dare come asking for our votes.
- Who said anything about a choice?
- I'm not sure if you could apply to all of them... because, I'm not sure what Kim Jong Un would be doing in the middle east... That would definitely be an interesting one but, that at least applies to Stalin too, it didn't last long, but Stalin absolutely steamrolled Iran there for a bit.
  
  If you wanna know "what would happen" to central-asian countries under soviet rule, you can, well, look at central-asian countries under soviet rule, such as Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan, lightyears away in terms of progress from other central-asian countries with a history of western colonialism like Pakistan.
- How very republican of you.
  
  I'm not am American. How can I be a Republican?
- Solidarity forever

DAE PALSTIN GENOCIDE?!