2y ago

not a moral pr(ul)ecept

sorry i got my rhetoric ™️ wrong last time i am just attempting to illustrate the thesis of Tolerance is not a moral precept by Yonatan Zunger so check that out if ur curious thanks babes <3

[Tolerance] is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others. A peace treaty is not a suicide pact.

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Dude the paradox of tolerance is literally saying we shouldn't tolerate in tolerance.
- Bro you're thinking way too hard it's literally just saying don't be a bigot
  
  I'm intolerant of beliefs that harm people. That's the line. If what you want to do or what you believe harms another person, it shouldn't be tolerated.
  
  I thought the article did a pretty good job of addressing those points
BuT dIsAgReEiNg WiTh HuMaN rIgHtS iS jUsT aN oPiNiOn, So YoU aReN't AlLoWeD tO bE mEaN tO fAsCiStS wHo ArE aDvOcAtInG fOr A fUcKiNg GeNoCiDe!1!
- my first exposure to the paradox its ambiguity was being used as an excuse to platform literal nazis on the basis of “being mean makes you the oppressor ☹️☹️☹️”
  i for one welcome a philosophy that is more concrete and specific and doesn’t allow for such openings. tolerance as a contract does that for me. though as this comment section shows trying to express this position gets you labeled as maga so huge L for me i guess.
Interestingly enough, international waters work by a similar concept. A lot of people think no laws apply in international waters, but that's not the case. Anyone sailing there picks a country whose laws they will follow.
But what happens if you don't pick a flag and just decide you're not going to follow any laws?? Well then you're not protected by any laws either. Your ship can be sunk or seized by anyone and there isn't anything you can do about it because you decided you wanted to exist outside of any laws.
Tolerance works a bit like that. If someone choses to live outside of tolerance and just do what they want to others, then they forfeit their right to be protected by tolerance.
- this is a cool fact and a valuable contribution to the conversation thanks homie ☺️
The side of intolerance will never extend you the courtesy of peaceful co-existence that you try to extend to them. If you give them a hand they'll take an arm. Give them the chance to talk and they'll take away your right to speak. You fundamentally can't make peace with someone who wants nothing more than to see you disappear.
This sounds like some "trump being president is what the left gets gor being woke" bs. When we tolerate the people who want to obliterate other people, we find ourselves among the obliterated.
Tolerance as a contract feels like the logical conclusion to the paradox of tolerance

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