7mo ago

What's your list of banned brands?

What brands do you avoid at all cost? I don't keep up with the news all that much, and many of the reasons to avoid something don't make it there anyway. So I'm asking here to make a big list of things to avoid. It could be anything from bad security practices to really frustrating packaging. Working as a cashier myself, I definitely know there are plenty of brands I avoid purely on the basis that their product is a pain to stock.

On the flip side, what's the alternative? If you avoid Pepsi, for example, what do you turn to instead?

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Obligatory: fuck Nestle
- Fair enough. They're so big I need an app just to keep track of if something's made by them or not.
  
  Which app? Is it on f-droid?

Apple.
I refuse to pay a premium for locked-down proprietary hardware solely because it looks more visually pleasing than an alternative that performs better.
- My work forced a recent macbook pro on me. One of those with the ARM chip.
  I am in awe of the quality of that macbook.
  
  I was trying to get on the list at mt work when I got a hardware refresh this year, I dislike large laptops and the dev spec is a 17" thinkpad (which imo has the left CTL and fn keys backwards, breaks muscle memory when changing between computers) but I'm docked most times but when I'm not the battery is terrible, maybe a handful of hours. Probably due to corporate crapware, but at least the arm macbooks stand a chance, my partner has an m1 mbp and she doesn't bother charging it most workdays or work with it plugged in, she doesn't need to. We were playing factorio the other night and she was moonlighting into her desktop, she got through a day's work, a bunch of hours of game streaming and some of the next work day, that should be the expectation for a normal device.
  Apple in my view really understood mobile devices, they had the hands down best trackpad for a long time, a fantastic keyboard, great display, a form factor you can actually carry around and as far as I recall, even the intel macs had better battery life.
  
  I'm in the exact same situation, however the right shift key broke, and activates randomly. This laptop only ever moved between a cupboard and a desk, without the tiniest bump, but after a couple months of very light use the shift key breaks. I now have to have sticky keys enabled permanently.
  Also the only way to enable sticky keys on the login screen is to triple click the power button. You would thing they could just put a button for the accessibility accessibility menu next to the one for the keyboard layout switcher, but no.
- Tell that to my 2014 MacBook Pro that is still going strong. I can do CAD and video editing and the thing still performs fine. Battery life decreased a bit but still lasts way more than enough.
  and the new Apple chip ones are also ridiculous. I have one for work, and was able to leave my computer closed in my backpack for several hour running code training an ML model. The thing did not even get warm and the battery went down by 2% only.
  That being said, I think the best computer is the one that works for YOU. In my previous job I was forced to use windows and boy did I suffer! Even Office felt clunkier on windows than Mac.
- I can understand people find Apple stuff outrageously expensive and locked down, but come on have some justice on its performance.
  I have a dual boot Win/Linux PC with Ryzen 5800x, and an MBP M2 Pro laptop. MBP blows my PC out of the water for my job, which requires hundreds of layers of audio running bazillions of DSPs in real time. Even renders take 30% less time on M2 on my case. And that’s happening on battery.
  I never get that much optimized power on my PC. I have to disagree there’s anything out there that performs better for a user just want to have the job done in a reasonable time.
  
  I really hope the snapdragon x laptops gain some traction. I recently went laptop shopping and what I wanted (good to great display, stays cold, good battery life) line up really well with a MacBook/MB air. I just couldn't stomach the stupid mark-ups for memory and storage. I wound up with a Lenovo 7x slim. Upgrading to 32 GB memory and 1 TB storage was around $115. The non-emulated performance on windows is solid. Emulated is generally ok for my usage. I'm probably going to try Linux on it when I have a light week, but I'm somewhat wary of the impact that will have on battery life.
- There’s more to it than looks…
- Then pay a premium for the privacy, which Apple actually tries to give you (unlike Google)

Tesla. Elon is proving to be a consummate billionaire scumbag and I don't want to be associated with him.
- This one is very simple given how expensive those toy cars are...
- Scumbag is a very polite way to describe him

I gave up trying to maintain a principled list of companies because globalization and supply chains make it too hard to really find a single asshole.
Your chocolate was picked by slaves. Your clothes were almost certainly made by exploited workers. Does that toy have a lithium ion battery? You’re not going to like how many of the raw materials were extracted. The name of the company on the sticker of the shit you bought is just a small piece of the rot.
- The saying "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism" is pretty true for most of us right now. The oligopoly we have going on makes it extremely difficult to consistently do the right thing. The only real way forward is to regulate the shit out of these products. If only we had another Upton Sinclair to scare the general populace into giving enough of a shit to demand unilateral action.
  
  You can't even vote with your wallet because like 10 companies own 90% of everything, keeping track of who owns what is a full time job on its own, and all of them are criminals.
  Welcome to capitalist feudalism. Not long before it's identical to the old feudalism.
- Tony's Chocolate ...
  
  So god damn good too
- My chocolate is fair trade actually. You can find good options. Although, yeah, I'd probably struggle re clothing
  
  After spending some time volunteering in Ukraine I concluded that probably the best option to ethically buy clothes might just be to buy the Made in UA clothes from Ukrainian local stores tbh.

chik-fil-a…
- Huh, haven't heard that one before. What did they do?
  I've never been to one, so continuing that isn't much of a bother to me anyway
  
  The chain's owners regularly donate to anti-LGBT organizations. They used to do it through company donations, but after being called out for it they stopped donating through the CFA corporation, but still donate privately to the same organizations.

Walmart and Sam’s Club.
You know you’re probably dealing with the baddies when the Criticism and Controversy section of your main article on Wikipedia grows to the point where it links to another Criticism of Walmart main article.
- For some companies, I wish they didn't name it "criticisms" or "controversies"; it could literally just be "crimes". Like Chiquita fruit funding death squads isn't really controversial. Same thing with child slavery for chocolate companies.

Nestle (not easy because the branding is not always obvious, but once you have it memorized it’s no problem)
Tesla (easy because the cars are shit anyways)
Müller (Luxembourg dairy product company that has close ties to the German fascist party AfD. Relatively easy but they do have some subbrands that are not obvious) [EDIT: more info]
- I don't want to ask this, excuse I like my yoghurt, but can you tell me more about the Muller-AfD link?
  
  The owner of the company is regularly meeting with Alice Weidel (one of the lead members) and says openly that he is interested in her party’s political views.
- Do you have a link to the story about Müller and connection to AFD, im asking because i didnt know that.
  
  Here is one https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/mueller-milch-milliardaer-afd-weidel-treffen-100.html
  It was in the news beginning of this year.
- I've been boycotting muller for a while kow because they had the most obnoxious ad imaginable and this was before I couldn't take it any more and went for blockers.
  Although I must admit part of me hopes that if we ever do go full cyberpunk that there will be a huge müller pyramid full of cows.
- Damn, I used to like their crunch corners.

Samsung. For a bunch of reasons, but I think the main starter of it was when I learnt this story.
Amazon. I don't think I need to explain why on this site.
Obviously both of these are near impossible to avoid completely. Samsung makes the internals of far more products than they put their name on, and AWS runs a big percentage of the web. But I avoid their store, Prime, and Audible.
- Completely agree on both points. I actually use a Samsung phone, and it's been nothing but a privacy nightmare. I'm planning to switch as soon as I've saved up enough to afford it.
  Yeah, Amazon is a mess. I personally avoid anything even tangentially related to them. I've noticed that they tend to be lower quality with worse privacy than the alternatives, and their only benefit is price. Even then, Audible is a ripoff on a massive scale.
  
  Even then, Audible is a ripoff on a massive scale
  The thing is, from a customer perspective, Audible is such a great deal. It's too good a deal, really. They desperately throw out free or cheap months to people who are trying to quit (offers to get them to stay), or who have quit quite some time ago (offers trying to convince them to return). That's a great deal for customers.
  The problem is that they're such a massive ripoff to authors. They have some extremely anticompetitive policies that make it difficult to put your audiobooks anywhere else if you want to also be on Audible. And I think they are really harsh towards authors if a reader takes advantage of Audible's very over-generous returns policy. (No-questions-asked return merely if you say you didn't like a book, even if you listened to the entire thing.)
  
  If I may ask, what are you switching to? cause in terms of privacy (without sacrificing usability and other important factors) the phone market looks like a hot pile of garbage. Well I guess FairPhones exist and they're about as good as you can get but still runs android.
- Holy shit I hadn't heard that story, that makes my blood boil. I would have contacted my embassy and turned that shit into an international incident. Also isn't paying for someone's flight in and refusing to let them fly back home some kind of trafficking charge?
  Anyway, I guess it's easy for me to say because I could at worst afford to pay for my flight home in a pinch.

Nestle.

I mean, lots of them. But I have a personal vendetta against Amazon. I worked at two companies for a few months, which supplied to Amazon among others, and it was just ridiculous how similar and bad their experiences with Amazon were.
At both companies, whenever we had to stock a delivery to Amazon, we had to use these brand-new pallets, which looked like you could break a toothpick out of them and it'd be sanitary.
Why did we not use old pallets? Because even though Amazon demands all the products to be packaged individually (so they can send them out to customers directly), if even just a handful of the packages get damaged during transport, they will send the whole truck load back at your cost.
And the asshats would take our brand-new pallets, then send back old-ass pallets, which we were then forced to use for all our non-shit customers.
No one at these companies wanted to work with Amazon. It was just that a significant amount of orders came from there, because of people like you and me using Amazon. So, I decided to not do that.
- Do you have a recommendation for me as an online shopper?
  
  During the pandemic, lots of offline shops built up a web shop, so that's where I order most stuff. Often enough, just opening up a map and looking at the shops near you, can already give you an idea. I'll also just do web searches for a product and see if any specialty, offline-first or manufacturer shops show up.
  What also often works, is to look on big aggregator platforms like Amazon, Ebay, Etsy etc., but when you've found a product, then look if that brand/manufacturer has an own web store, or again via web search, if there's any other smaller stores also selling that same product. If you do that a few times, you'll usually find decent stores where it's worth looking at their other products, too.
  That's kind of also what I actually like about doing this: Anyone can sell any crap or scam on Amazon et al and since you can't look at it for real, it's difficult to tell what's garbage and what's not.
  These specialty/offline-first/manufacturer shops usually have a reputation/customers to lose, so they generally only sell stuff with a minimum of quality.
  Also, if you order multiple products, you don't get a bazillion different packages delivered, but often rather just one, with all products combined.

This might be an unpopular opinion but I avoid Western Digital hard drives after their two recent issues:
In 2020, they silently started selling SMR (shingled magnetic recording) drives as NAS drives, without labeling them as such, even though they're not appropriate for use in a NAS. They can get very slow and cause issues during RAID rebuilds. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-fesses-up-some-red-hdds-use-slow-smr-tech
In 2023, they started flagging drives with a warning just because they had been powered on for three years (26,280 hours), even if all the SMART data was fine. The "fix" was updating systems like Synology to totally ignore WD's alerting (WDDA) and only use SMART. I think the warnings are still present, but NAS software just ignores them now. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/clearly-predatory-western-digital-sparks-panic-anger-for-age-shaming-hdds/
Both were intentional changes to try and increase profits.
I'm using Seagate Exos drives, which are the same price or even cheaper than WD Red Pro drives, when on sale.
- Huh, I didn't know about that. I only bought mine because they were the only ones the store offered, but I guess I'll try to find another brand when it comes time to replace them. I've been meaning to get a new NAS sometime anyway, so that's a good excuse as any to do so.
  
  Their drives are good quality and work well. I just don't want to give them any money after they intentionally misled customers :)
  I'm in the USA and bought two brand new Seagate Exos "X20" 20TB drives for around $250 each last year. One from Newegg and one from ServerPartDeals. Normal price is over $350, but I'm sure they'll be on sale again at some point.
- When I first started using external drives I always used WD. I had two fail on me. Switched to sea gate and the one drive I got is still kicking. Will never use WD again.

Goya

Nestlé, Amazon, Coca Cola, Mars & its associates, Mondelez ("Kraft" for the 'muricans). I try to avoid basically any corporation greedy enough to go against human rights in the name of profits.
- But where will you get your super processed food?
- I agree with your list, but I also have to point out the irony of throwing in a "for the 'muricans" in reference to an American multinational company.

Jimmy John's
The owner has been photographed with big game "trophies" of elephants and a leopard.
TW: deceased animals
Snopes fact check: true
This guy pisses me off so much. Hunting like this (where it's private land, the staff do all the work of finding you a prize, & they basically point you at the endangered animal when it's time to pull the trigger) is so obscene, grotesque, unnecessary, and self-fellating. Fuck this dude in particular.
- Completely inexcusable. How people can get away with this kind of behaviour is beyond me.
  
  Question: how is it different than the atrocities against animals most people participate in every day?
  Answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism
- It's okay to have this kind of kindness and passion for all animals, you know.
  
  Did you just "all lives matter" me? I do care about all animals, but hunting species that are barely clinging to existence is the topic of assholery in my post.

Coke. Assassinating union leaders is not something I can stomache.
- CocaCola did what?? Why didn't I know that? Guess I'm a pepsi guy now, wow.
  
  Pepsi is literally no better. They do all the same shit and are in bed with Putin

Any brands that make devices that plug into mains power that aren't UL or ETL certified. I've seen way too many cases where people buy generic smart switches with no certification and they trip the circuit breaker or catch fire due to poor quality construction. Certification isn't perfect, but it's way better than products not being certified.
- I don't think I've ever checked, but I can get behind that. I'd rather not die because a company decided to cut corners.
  
  The awesome thing is that those marks can be counterfeit and you only know by looking up the number.
- As a Britbong, I'm always proud of not only BS1363 and the safety it has brung us over the years but the fact that I know that number off the top of my head.
  I usually have a goldfish memory for things like that.
  
  I assume you mean the fused plugs thing?
  In Aus we dont have those but we do have mandated all lighting & GPO circuits to be on RCD/RCBOs so thats reassuring. (Unless you have an old house that is grandfathered in and no works have been done requiring the replacement or upgrade of your switchboard since the laws came in)

Samsung appliances or Samsung smart anything. SSDs are tolerable but I'd rather find someone else.
HP printers but they are especially bad so all HP.
Any device that requires a cloud connection, account, or specific app to work. Hard no.
- I have a home PC with motherboard issues that is my multimedia machine. I played around on IBM networks when I was a kid. Fuck printers. And yeah fuck this forced cloud shit. I remember this was a thread.
- Nodding my head with samsung. HP comes up and I'm ohhhh how did I forget them!
  
  I find they do slip by you unless you're thinking of printers. I'm trying to remind myself in more situations. I doubt I'll ever want an HP computer with or without the reminder but I'd like to make sure.

Most of Nestlé, of Lactalis...
- Oh yeah fuck Nestle.

Müller (Unternehmensgruppe Theo Müller), an unscrupulous European food company with ties to the radical right. There are plenty of alternatives, including regional ones.
Müller owns numerous prominent brands, especially in Germany and the UK, but also in other countries.
- Thanks for raising awareness about this

Whatsapp is difficult for me to avoid, but I've been pulling it off for years now.
Honestly here in the NL it's almost as if people see it as some sort of government institution. We have neighborhood watches on there and they openly display the logo as a form of security measure. Honestly it's kinda creepy that that kinda stuff flows through their opaque servers and software.
I'd prefer an open and distributed protocol, with the largest node being government run. You can't avoid such large nodes, so it's better if they are run by a centralized democratic system. Aka @gmail.com, Lemmy.ml, mastadon.social (did I get that right?)

Nestle

Chick-fil-A
- Still, after all these years?
  Always.

Most fashion clothing brands.
The additional expenditure rarely maps to better quality.
And if they make watches too, don't buy those. They are always the cheapest watches with a name stamped on.
- Yeah, pretty much anything luxury. I make a point to buy knockoffs if I need the same class of product, because I know I'm paying a premium for intangible marketing bullshit otherwise.
  
  Less than half of them are legit. You want to buy $15 pants 10 times or buy $70 pants once. Budget says $70 is a luxury. So we keep at it. It's expensive to be poor.
- Same here regarding fashion brands, except for Duluth Trading for clothing and Ariat and Hoka for shoes. When working out in the elements and walking on concrete all day, I find the extra expense for those brands are worth it for me.

Literally all of them. Any big company is doing evil things, and I doubt there is an exception to that rule. Shop local, grocery shop at a co-op, eat local, prioritize products you know are actually made in your home country. Most importantly; just buy less. Repair the things you own, take care of them, borrow from friends. Never buy something "surprisingly cheap".
- What are you smoking and can I have some?

Nestle, Microsoft, Reddit, Roku, Meta, X, Google (as much as possible). I would boycott so many of them if it was possible, but I particularly avoid those because I especially hate them.

Sony, for all sort of reasons (the rootkit and other DRM, pushing proprietary formats like MemoryStick and ATRAC3, removing OtherOS (a.k.a. Linux) support from the Playstation, etc.).
Blizzard, because of Freecraft and BNetD (I was boycotting them long before they merged with Activision).
Ideally, I would boycott Nestle and the other abusive agri-conglomerates, but honestly probably a lot of their products slip through because (a) it's hard to tell what's made by who because of all the subsidiary brands, and (b) with all the consolidation, pretty much everything is made by some shitty megacorp these days. I mean yeah, if I eschewed normal chain stores entirely and tried to buy everything from local small businesses or something then I guess I could avoid them, but ain't nobody got time (or money!) for that.

Samsung; just a lot of general very anti-consumer behaviour.
LG; a "do not sell my data" option on a TV that's turned off as standard? No, thanks.
ASUS; has become pretty unreliable in my experience and their RMA shenanigans haven't helped.
Apple; overpriced and anti-consumer, I wouldn't mind getting a MacBook as a gift or something, though...
HP; cheap garbage that's obsolete the moment you buy it and becomes e-waste after the warranty has expired. Their business line is marginally better but there are far better options out there.
Huawei; see above.
Nestlé; do I really have to explain? They're pretty much the worst company to ever exist.
Spotify; endless price-hikes to enable the CEO to buy more soccer teams and firearm manufacturer shares, pay artists almost nothing per stream, disabled their car thing after two years, lied about Spotify Hi-Fi....
- Oh you can add so much more on Apples entry. For a fun read, I suggest doing a web search for 'Apple anti-suicide nets'. Apple and nestlé are among the top of my list for companies I morally cannot support due to human exploitation.
- I'd like to know the alternatives, especially for Samsung, I still think it is the best smart phone company
  
  Motorola for phones. Does everything you need with a near AOSP android. Affordable too. good official support, and good community support with lineageos
  
  This might be a bit controversial, as Google is obviously also known for their fair share of not so good stuff but I really like their Pixel line of devices. Especially for that stock android experience (doesn't Samsung even pre-install TikTok nowadays?). Sony phones are also pretty decent from my experience.
  As for laptops, the business lines of both Dell (Latitude & Precision) and Lenovo (ThinkPad) are pretty solid. Especially Dell's support is just amazing, I deal with them regularly at work and they've been really great.
  As for ASUS; I haven't had to buy a mainboard in a while but I heard some good things about Gigabyte.
  Tidal is a pretty good alternative to Spotify; I think they pay artists the most per stream out of all music streaming services, they offer true Hi-Fi quality for the same price Spotify charges for their base tier and they even upgraded all Hi-Fi members to Hi-Fi Plus for free recently.
  Nestlé is a big enough campany that you just have to live with not buying their products I guess... Although there are pretty good alternatives for stuff like frozen pizza (Dr. Oetker is pretty good if that's available where you live) and chocolate (Tony's Chocolonely ftw).
  
  Same. Samsung phones are so damn easy to flash

I avoid anything from iSSrael, Russia or China as much as I can, also anything related to Elon Musk
- I bet it's hard to avoid Chinese products

Ugh god... Tech brands, off the top of my head:
Asus (Scammers)
Lenovo (Fuck lenovobios, bad hardware quality past 2010 or so)
Sager (Scammed me by selling a laptop with too high power draw that resulted in crashes)
Microsoft (Mega spyware corp, bad software, worst OS on the planet)
Apple (Likely spyware corp, Bad locked down devices, anti right to repair, overpriced)
Google (Biggest Baddest spyware company, monopoly on many platforms)
Nvidia (Extremely hostile to open source, will likely never work on OpenBSD unless Nvidia seriously changes their stance; even then there's so much bad faith at this point I wouldn't trust them)
Meta/Facebook (Mega spyware corp, zuck is a lizard)
Tesla (Loudest most-punchable most-hatable fascist at the helm, employees caught spying on users through interior cams, proprietary software ecosystem that won't work on my phone)
All major phone manufacturers (Android sucks, iOS sucks harder)
Pine64 (Charging circuit is software controlled for some insane reason, supports Manjaro)
All major smart TVs (spyware, always-on microphones, locked down OS with ad-ridden clients)
Okay companies:
Valve (Still hosts a shitty DRM platform, but it's the best one; only listing because the Steam Deck is awesome)
Framework (Pro user repair, good hardware, no complaints; look forward to RISC-V board)
- So, uh, how do you live in modern society?
  
  Framework laptop with OpenBSD for prod, Steam Deck for gaming, Pinephone with pmOS for phone stuff (even though I put Pine64 on the bad list, if I could buy again I would have tried the Fairphone or other pmOS compatible device instead); self host everything possible (mail, git (got), gitweb (gotweb), http, ipsec vpn) on a cheap VPS running OpenBSD. It's comfy.
- Let me give you a complaint for Framework: apparently they were having a hard time releasing bios updates in a timely manner (as in, they were over a year late iirc) which pissed a lot of people off.a
- Tesla (Loudest most-punchable most-hatable fascist at the helm, employees caught spying on users through interior cams)
  Cars less reliable than ICE, despite having a fraction of the parts. Absolutely proprietary and probably going to start enshittifying over the air at some point. Still some degree of expense-adding hype.
  Pine64 is not one I expected to see dissed on Lemmy. I can't say I'm impressed with the one I bought, though, and it has some kind of electrical issue that would be a pain to fix. It's too bad, I love the concept of OS phone hardware.
  
  Pine64 is definitely tenuously on the list, I simply can't recommend a device thats status as a bomb depends on what kernel you put on it (and theo forbid an attacker manages to get access to the circuit).
- A colleague of mine bought a framework and is always complaining about it. Says he wish he'd got a thinkpad again.
  
  must miss the clit
- Framework sounds great in theory, but it's hard to justify nearly double the cost compared to a Lenovo T-series.

TikTok and Kaspersky.
- Why Kaspersky?
  
  Security software from a Russian company. It was recently banned in the US due to its national security concerns.
  
  Oh you really haven’t heard??

Apple
Meta (but actually it effectively avoids me, I not much avoid it)
Nazi states (the new axis powers) affiliated brands when I can, especially for the tech companies.
If you avoid Pepsi, for example, what do you turn to instead?
Tea, probably.

Not really answering the question but I've completely stopped buying anything that requires USB micro B. I can't fucking stand that connector. USB C costs a negligible amount more and I've yet to have a single port or cable fail irreparably after using it for the best part of a decade.
An actual answer to the question? I'm done with Microsoft and Nvidia. I'd love to add Google to the list but I'm still largely entrenched in their ecosystem.

Amazon: I avoid them because of worker abuse and union busting. While prime shipping is convenient, planning around not having it comes pretty naturally. Just plan as if it’s not an option at all. This does require good internet search skills to find sites that sell what you’re looking for, but I can’t express how worth it the work is to get better quality products.
Starbucks: I avoid them because of union busting. I make most of my coffee and tea at home, it’s cheaper and better anyway. Otherwise, I go to a local cafe. My area has a lot of them, but even if yours doesn’t, try asking around.

Apple for their poisonous followership.
Canon for being assholes.
Microsoft for their shitty products that only survive due to the mass they have acquired during the years running largely unchecked.
Facebook/Meta/Twitterx/Tesla: see Apple.
- What's wrong with Canon specifically? The rest I am already aware of their sketchy dealings.
  Usually Canons camera selection is quite good, was there a scandal or is it just shit support for their printers or help in general?
  
  Canon printers. Back in the time, I bought a large canon printer - for 60cm wide paper, with large ink tanks on the side. It cost a rather substantial amount, but printing under Linux was meh, as there was no special driver for this model. I asked for a manual so I could write such a driver myself, but their position (back then, I never bothered to recheck) that Linux and open source in general was theft of intellectual property.

Apple

EA got my account stolen with 1200+ hours of playtime via fraudulent support tickets. That's why, I am not touching anything EA's involved with ever when they absolutely suck at account security.

Honestly.. Google Play.. someone re-gifted my son a $20 Google Play card a few years ago, and I tried to buy something for him and realised the card was about 2weeks out of date, and after about 10 back and forwards with support, they wouldn’t honour it.. a trillion dollar company. I get it, but their cold indifference just seemed mean
- They didn't become a trillion dollar company by being nice. No mega Corp earns their billions by being an honorable company
- I thought it was illegal basically everywhere to have gift cards go out of date? Scumbags.

LG, Nestlé, Coke-Cola, Amazon, TikTok, Temu, any big brand bank, ASUS, Johnson Outdoors brands (jetboil, scuba pro)
Edit:forgot Tyson foods and Hormel. Their fucking over chicken farmers.
- Why ASUS? I used to have one of their routers but aside from that I don't know much about them.

Apple
- Relatable. I'm in a pretty Apple heavy area, so I'm in the minority in my dislike of anything Apple. At least they are easy to avoid, with how obvious they make their branding.

Crowdstrike
Microsoft

KwikFit fucked me over once 15 years ago and I'm never going back.
Apple is BS for losers.
Someone driving a Tesla I can't help but think of them sucking off Musk whilst being ass fucked.

Chic fil a, Tesla, Apple
- But it tastes so good!!!1!! /s

Many store-brand foods because they're made with half garbage.
HP - their printers and subscription models pissed me off so much that I want nothing to do with them.
Apple - 'nuff said

McDonald's.
I'm not much into fast food but if I'm craving a burger and chips I'll get it from a pub.
- It's cheaper too, over here at least. I need to pay 18 euros to get what I want, and it isn't uncommon to be treated disrespectfully.
  Whereas a really good fish and chips is like 11 euros here and you can have a fun little chat with the owner or whatever.
- ...for less money.
- It used to be cheaper. Nowadays you'll spend the same amount of money at McDonald's as the pub.

Dollar, Hertz and Thrifty car rental. Also Budget, but for different reasons.
Never use Dollar, Hertz or Thrifty under any circumstances unless you want to be fucked. Never prepay with Budget unless you want to be fucked.
- Can confirm, got fucked by Hertz last time I rented a car. Who’s your go to?
  
  I truly do not know. I was using Budget, my truck was in the shop and two days' rental was going to be $142. Two hours after reserving it my mechanic tells me he's going to have me done today - so I cancel the reservation.
  Because I chose "pay now" rather than "pay later", I'm charged a $150 cancellation fee on a $142 rental (the fee posted on the website - $50 - is not for "prepaid" "same day" cancellations - not that the website told me this anywhere obvious, of course).
  So I literally would have done better financially to drive the fucking thing around for two days for no good reason.
  Protesting to customer service gets me a resounding "go fuck yourself."
  I'm now open to suggestions, I was using Budget because they had the best prices of what remained to me, but never again.
- Hertz left me stranded in Austin TX last time I was there. Rented a car for a week. They let me think I had a car until the morning of my reservation, when it was an hour before pickup to notify me that "sorry we're cancelling you". I had no other options, every other place in town was out of cars. Most said I needed a reservation and I had to think to myself how stupid it was.
  I spent over 500 in Ubers on that trip going stupidly long distances.
  As soon as I was home I dropped my Hertz membership and joined Enterprise. They cost a bit more but I have never been treated that way. Hertz/Dollar/Thrifty are all pretty much the same, so I'll never use them again.
  
  Dollar, Thrifty and Hertz are all the same company now. They intentionally overbook. I don't know the exact reason why, short of naked profiteering and not giving a fuck.
  The last time I rented with them (initially Dollar) I booked several months beforehand and when I got up to their kiosks, I ended up getting one of the last cars that they had on hand. I know I got one of the last because as I was waiting (for hours), they first closed the Dollar storefront, then they closed the Thrifty storefront - funneling everybody into one line ultimately ending up at the Hertz storefront. Shortly after I got up to the desk and they were finally giving me my paperwork and keys, they began to shut down the Hertz storefront. At this point there were still literally more than a hundred people standing in line (it was a holiday). So closing up left a whole bunch of people carless and very, very angry. So even waiting for hours through this bullshit, I was one of the LUCKY ONES.
  I booked the car online at the extortionate price of $800 for a week, but ever since the pandemic, rentals have been overly expensive so whatever. Subsequently, they proceeded to apply every possible extra to the rental, without my knowledge. Extra insurance, top tier insurance, full tank of gas, roadside assistance - everything - all of which are also at inflated prices. Not until I got home did I notice that the actual cost of this rental was going to be almost $1500, TWICE THE FEE I HAD BOOKED ONLINE. I had no choice but to accept it and get on with my driving vacation, but I never forget.

Nestle
HP
Apple
Tesla
There are more but those are the first that came to mind that I don't have to go dig up a list.

HiSense - they make appliances and they're junk
All bottled water - no one needs them and it's plastic that's here forever
Temu - disposable shit
Bath and Body Works - the creators of microbeads (plastic) hand soap
Teflon - poisoned my town's water
Chick-fil-A - evangelist food, no thanks
- All bottled water - no one needs them and it's plastic that's here forever
  Depends on where you live. It's a bit ignorant to say "no one needs them". Also sometimes you have no choice, like maybe in an airport.
  
  Yes yes, exceptions.
  I live in one of the worst cities regarding lead in the drinking water though, thanks to old pipes, but a waterfilter solved all this.

Dell Microsoft Roku Sony Briggs & Stratton Duracell
All of the above companies have failed me for the Last. Time. Admiral Piet. We're done.
- MS make a decent mouse as it goes.
  
  I've been using Logitech trackballs since Clinton was president.

There's a bunch I know when I see them, but not many I can think of right on the spot. Apple, Liquid Death, and Celestial Seasonings are a few I can think of though. Apple for a million reasons; LD because I just find their whole campaign insanely obnoxious and everywhere I look and I hate that people are paying ridiculous prices for plane ass water in a can; Celestial Seasonings because it's straight up an actual cult.

Blue Bell. They killed people with their listeria negligence.
- swindled?

Coca-Cola, Nestlé, Starbucks.

Friggin' Spirit Airlines!
- Why? Because of quality, service or?
  
  Well, I guess spirit is technically the cheapest. So that might be worth it to people all on its own. But I find the seating to be very cramped, I don't like the feeling of being "nickel and dimed" with their "charge for everything" scheme, and when I rode spirit they would have extremely generous take off and landing estimates so that even with many delays, they are still "on time".
  None of this is really malicious, I think they are clear about the fact that they offer cheap tickets for a cheap experience. But man, as a customer, it feels bad. I will just pay the extra money and go with something else.

Microsoft and Lenovo
- I'm not that familiar with them; why Lenovo?

Epic Games until they continue developing UT4. Motherfuckers.

I avoid Nemix RAM, because the first time I bought a bunch of sticks from them, they had an 18% failure rate. I paid to ship the bad sticks back, and they sent me more bad sticks. Nemix said they worked fine, so I sent them the Memtest screenshot with all the errors. They didn’t want to pay shipping to replace them again, so I just returned them and got some Micron RAM, and it’s been working perfectly.

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