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What's a game that got critically and player acclaimed that you disliked anyway?

This is a followup to @SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 's recent thread for completeness' sake.

I'll state an old classic that is seen as a genre defining game because it is: Myst. Yes, it redefined the genre... in ways I fucking hated and that the adventure game genre took decades to fully recover from. It was a pompous mess in its presentation and was the worst kind of "doing action does vague thing or nothing at all, where is your hint book" puzzle gameplay wrapped in graphical hype which ages pretty poorly as far as appeal qualities go.

So many adventure games tried to be Myst afterward that the sheer budgetary costs and redundancy of the also-rans crashed the adventure game genre for years.

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  • The first Dark Souls game felt like torture. I remember running around in the underground poison swamp to farm upgrade material then running up to Andre to upgrade my weapon and it felt like such a chore. In Anor Londo, after fighting a gargoyle, the way forward was so unintuitive I gave up because the game was not for me. I ended up watching some YouTuber play the game after that.

  • Bethesda games in general. Maybe I will give Morrowind another try eventually (only played like an hour) but my experience with the other ones discourages me greatly. Gameplay is boring, balancing is non existent ( you either steamroll or have to cheese encounters). People always point out the cool quests and lore but they are buried in a mountain of mediocre slop. Aesthetically, apart from Morrowind I find them really dull. I do give them props for the modding support tho, I've started playing the forgotten city and having a blast, and that was originally a Skyrim mod.

    Also a link to the past. Maybe it's because it's the most "vanilla" Zelda ever got.

    • Link to the Past is the only game someone could mention in this thread that would make me go

    • Do try Morrowind, it's great. You need to know just a few things though, and it will be way more likely to click for you:

      • Make your own class and just choose one weapon type. A lot of the premade classes waste major/minor skills on dumb stuff.
      • Don't try to use any other type of weapon. You won't hit. Wait until like level 20 to start trying other weapons.
      • Your green Fatigue bar needs to be full to not fuck up everything you do- including magic and even bartering/speechcraft. Everything. Full fatigue bar.
      • Make Alchemy a minor skill no matter what. Buy/steal/find Marshmerrow and Saltrice. Bind those to your quick keys on the number row. I use 3 and 4. Tap the key to munch on the herbs. Sometimes it'll take a couple tries to get a lasting effect. Viola. You now have practically free HEALTH and FATIGUE potions that take up barely any weight and actually help a lot early to mid game. Way less waiting for that green bar to fill up.

      Other than that, have at it

      Oh and kill all slaveowners

  • Couldn't get into Elden Ring. I love Dark Souls and Sekiro, but adding the huge world just made things dull to me. It became too much of a grind rather than a cool experience to have. I don't really understand the hype around it.

    I never liked CounterStrike. The entire game is walking into a courtyard and getting shot by someone I didn't even see.

    I've never liked Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem. The writing is incredibly goofy and it's just not as scary as it's hyped up to be. The pacing is dull and the puzzles are just tedious running back and forth. And before it's mentioned it's a game from 2002: it came out a month after the Resident Evil 1 remake, which is a masterpiece to this day. It also came out a year after Silent Hill 2 and the first Fatal Frame, both of which are still very effective at horror.

    • I don't like any dark souls. I just don't like how even the most basic enemies revolve around "sit and wait, don't attack yet, if you get bored and impatient, well, you are gonna get even more bored so just accept being bored"

  • Boltgun, it got hyped to hell and back as an epic awesome BOOMER SHOOTER but its literally not a boomer shooter, it's just doom 2016 with pixels.

    Just felt really boring to keep being locked into rooms and having a bunch of shit spawn at me until I kill enough for the game to decide to release me. Also the weapon balance felt off, you get an upgrade powerup in almost every level that upgrades a gun for that level, but the only gun worth upgrading seems to be the titular boltgun, the default weapon, cause it gets like doubled mag size, pinpoint accuracy, big damage etc, while other guns just get gimmicks like bouncing shotgun shells.

    • As someone who appreciates KOTOR 2, I think that a lot of the love for the game comes from 3 factors:

      • Nostalgia for KOTOR 1
      • The fact that KOTOR 2 improved the combat system and the class/skill system, so if you liked skipping all the dialogue and getting to the part where you could swing your lightsaber around then this game feels like a significant improvement when the combat in the previous game often felt very tacked-on and like an afterthought
      • The aspirational "But it could have been a masterpiece!" sort of thing, where people see the rushed development which resulted in a game that was ultimately unfinished, this cohort tends to fill in the gaps with how great it could have been rather than extrapolating from what the game really was into what it likely would have been if it actually completed its development cycle, which wouldn't have been all that much better and the lost content restoration mod stands testament to the fact that, no, the bits that got left out weren't really going to be better than the rest of the game.

      I think you're right about how Revan's story just got sidelined in the second game and how the villains were kinda meh. I feel like Nihilus was a really bad choice and just a placeholder for an actual villain because they didn't bother with any development, they used in-lore reasons for why he couldn't talk and his character was essentially incomprehensible in his motives aside from The One Thing™ 🙄, and they just kinda dropped him in towards the end and it's supposed to be a big deal because he's... kinda spooky I guess? Oh wait, some characters also tell you throughout the game that he's a big deal and you should invest in his character because they said so.

      Kreia I think was decent but not fully realised (see above for what that means to fans) but I think conceptually it was cool to have a greyish-to-evil Jedi as your mentor.

      The game did a better job of moral pathways, especially the grey and evil ones. The first KOTOR would pose very simple situations to the player - help and do the good thing, to good outcomes, but you either have to pay extra or miss the opportunity for money/loot or you lie and/or slaughter your way through and you get that loot.

      KOTOR 2 made you think about the consequences of your actions more and there wasn't always the clearly obvious righteous path but instead you had to grapple with means vs ends and the ramifications of your choices. There was less [console the orphaned child and give them money to help them get back on their feet/kill the orphaned child and loot their bloodied corpse] options and more morally ambiguous options.

      Kreia was supposed to be the fleshing out of the whole fall to evil thing and she did an okay job of it most of the time. If you played the game purely lawful good then she would have been frustrating but if you played it other ways or you weren't certain of your path then she is a more interesting deuteragonist than Bastila, who would just demand that you always take the lawful good path and chide you if you didn't, which wears thin really quickly. (This is from someone who has set out to play the game as evil multiple times and yet has failed and fallen to their better insticts every time lol, and this is also at the cost of Kreia chiding you for doing the right thing, for doing the wrong thing, or for trying to do the right/wrong thing and it backfiring due to circumstances, leaving you feeling as though there was no way to appease her because whatever you do she's likely going to be disappointed in you regardless.) She was, imo, a very clear swing-and-miss at representing something close to representing the concept of Wu Wei because the problem therein is to have a fallen/ultimately evil character who also represents neutrality/neutral-good - those two sit it direct contradiction with one another so it got muddled up in the story. Hence the beggar scene.

      Being able to crack characters open and bring them to be your apprentices and to influence their alignment was a pretty cool mechanic that helped flesh out the story imo.

      The game was really reaching for gritty realism (see: Atton being an actual representation of a rogue character rather than a caricature of a rogue who once was self-interested but decided to join up and now they're part of a merry band of do-gooders without any real justification or development, also the drab setting for most of the game) and a subversion of the tropes (which, in combination with the gritty realism, often devolved into outright edgelordism) but it often fell short of this lofty vision.

      I think ultimately what the game was attempting, and failed to achieve, was a truly introspective player experience where there were more shades of gray than any clarity on anything - will Kreia be the final villain and if so, why is she on your side and why does she not do Big Evil Stuff™? (Which explains Nihilus being largely absent from the game, although that turned out kinda bad.) Why do I not trust the good characters a lot of the time and why do the evil-coded characters make compelling cases (sometimes)? Why is it that I can't always do the correct thing but I am forced to choose between imperfect options? Why do I find myself at odds with my Jedi mentor? Is there truly right and wrong? Are the means justified by the ends and what are the implications? etc.

      I think one thing that needs to be kept in mind is that this game came out when the subversion of the trope wasn't itself a massive trope and gritty realism, while popular, hadn't reached peak saturation yet and so for a lot of people who grew up with the game it really did feel groundbreaking due to that context. I think this bookends really well with the discussion on Seinfeld happening elsewhere on Hexbear - people look back on Seinfeld and ask why it was considered so great at the time but they often don't understand that in the context of when it was produced, it was pretty groundbreaking for comedy and its influence was so significant that for a person going back to watch it after its run, it seems like Seinfeld is just rehashed and worn out. But that's not because of Seinfeld itself, it's because it changed the shape of comedy that came after it (for better or worse) such that it doesn't feel groundbreaking at all looking at it retrospectively.

      It's a bit like if we were to watch an early husband and wife sitcom like I Love Lucy or something - we'd know all the tropes, we'd see all the punchlines before they landed, we'd consider it a tired and worn out concept despite never having watched it even though, at the time, it was so influential and groundbreaking that it effectively shaped the direction of its entire genre. Sometimes things are just a product of their time and that means that they don't always age that well.

    • I like KOTOR 2 because Darth Nihilus is hot.

      I like KOTOR because Darth Revan is hot.

  • Horizon Zero Dawn. It felt more like a tech/graphics demo than an actual game. Still haven't finished it and can't see myself doing it. I don't know how they managed to make robot dinosaurs so boring.

    Also every call of duty after the original modern warfare 3. Yes, including black ops 2. I actually think black ops 2 was one of the worst call of duty games, the overuse of the three lane cookie cutter map design really screwed up multiplayer FPS games for a good 5 years after its release.

    Also another controversial take, skill based matchmaking is good and more games should implement it. It forces you to actually play people at your skill level and prevents pointless pubstomping. If you want to have mindless fun with long killstreaks, just play against the AI/bots.

  • Did not particularly care for Super Mario Odyssey. It was go here, throw your hat on this, complete a few objectives with the new power, then do it all again with different mechanics in the next place. The game just never built up into anything complex, so it felt boring after a while. It was also very easy so I blew through the main game really fast.

  • Dark Souls: I played it for like 20 minutes but the controls just felt wrong. The combat just didn't feel good.

    Journey: Felt boring and empty to me. Came off as the game equivalent of a pretentious film student's sophomore project.

    TUNIC: This is a very weird one to me. Theoretically, I should love it. I like retro games. I like old-school Zelda. I like the conceit that the manual is in a foreign language and you have to use the pictures and diagrams to infer what to do. But for the life of me, I just cannot get into this game, and I have no idea why. I tried to start twice, and each time, I played it for about half an hour before putting it down and never really getting back to it.

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