Most voters in Great Britain now live in a constituency where the top two parties are not Labour and the Conservatives
Most voters in Great Britain now live in a constituency where the top two parties are not Labour and the Conservatives
I count 306 seats where Labour are 1st and the Conservatives 2nd, or Conservatives 1st and Labour 2nd.
In the other 326 seats, either the Lib Dems, Reform, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru or independents are a top two party. Where most voters live, the traditional Labour vs Conservative debate is no longer the relevant one.
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I think this election proves we need two major changes:
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PR so everyone is equally represented whether we like them or not.
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Australian style mandatory voting. My betting is that a lot of people who would have voted labour this election stayed home because of how much the media showed it was on the bag for labour.
This combination can lead to donkey voting.
Hahah, that is… well, terrifying.
While I don’t believe in disenfranchising people, how do you deal with the voters who are literally too dumb to understand the process…?
I had to deal with a lady at work a few days back who couldn't understand how a very basic loyalty scheme worked and accused our company of being misleading. I so wanted to tell her that she was literally the only customer I've ever spoken to who couldn't grasp such a simple concept.
Some people really are dumb. It's a miracle that they've made it so far in life without accidentally killing themselves or something.
I think it really depends on which loyalty scheme you're referring to. I was in Tesco today and the club card pricing is highly visible, in comparison to the actual pricing. It felt pretty misleading when I got to the checkout
Just let them donkey vote. Who cares.
The point is almost everyone participates.
In the latest general election there was a constituency decided by fifteen votes. And several decided by less than 100.
Terrifying to think an MP could be elected because their name was Aaron A Aaronson rather than their party or reputation or policies and some goobers just wanted to play at being a functional member of society…
With votes that close there's plenty of luck involved in other ways. The weather, tv schedule etcetera.
It's definitely a problem, but it's not preclusive.
The alternative is equally terrifying - just a third of voters being the majority in the brexit referendum is unconsciable.
Such people would just be less likely to vote at all if the process itself is disenfranchising. Plus it's not just a question of understanding but of wilful ignorance or even malice.
The process needs to be simple enough for everyone, and it needs to be emphasised how such a voting system will help them be better represented.
I would like to think a PR system would lead to more of a focus on individual policies and less voting along tribal lines, but if you're disenfranchised that's not going to help anything. If we ever get a proportional system it needs to come with a very good educational campaign.
Surely this can be solved by randomizing the order they appear on the ballot for each person? Then the impact would be negligable
That's not a PR thing. I vote PR with a single vote. So no donkey voting possible.
It might be possible with STV. Like in Ireland. It depends on the ballot form I guess.
Two easy fixes, random orders on the ballots. Or the top option is always "None of the below".
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