Ask the Kamala voters in your life

It’s also truly incredible how no one can also see the mass extinguishing of the proletariat happening as more and more wealth is stolen by the bourgeois as they go all in on AI in hopes that enough people will be numbed by the unregulated spread of information and be kept in their digital bubble while the world burns, people die, and more people end up without a job.

But 2029 is the most important election of our lives!

It's frightening how immediately hostile people become when they encounter someone who actually has principles and beliefs. The sudden aggression and attempts at coercion are always shocking.

Like how is Trump going to genocide worse? They acknowledge Harris is doing genocide, and then say Trump will be worse, and it's like... EVERYONE IS GONNA BE FUCKING DEAD YOU CAN'T DO WORSE THAN EVERYONE IS DEAD.

I probably need to log off I'm going to need to log off for the night.

'trump will kill more' is the logic

We don't actually know what will happen with Trump. He is a petty, dumb, narcissist who acts like a weather vane for his advisors. He could decide to drop a nuke on the region, or he could get triggered by something on Twitter and decide to stop all arms to get back at Netanyahu.

We know what the Democrats will do. They're doing it now. Acting so sad while pouring truckloads of money into the kid crushing machine.

This isn't an endorsement of Trump, lurkers. Vote 3rd party or leave President blank. Neither major candidate earned your vote.

Voting for Adolf Hitler to keep out Joseph Goebbels

'trump will kill more'

It hurts when people who should be smart use this line.

It won't matter because nobody will know. Trump and Kamala aren't going to be President at the same time.

If Trump wins, any deaths will be said to be his fault and an imagined Kamala presidency wouldn't have let THAT many die. If Kamala wins any number of dead Palestinians will be less than the amount that an imagined Trump presidency would have been responsible for.

Comrade, if you're going to use this poem, please do not omit the original first line.

"First they came for the Communists, And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist."

They'll deflect, or pull whataboutism, or say trump will be worse.

Maybe I should have put this in /c/doomer

You have an opportunity to turn this moment into an organizing conversation with the libs in your life. I had one in this very thread.

Also I don't agree that votes are useless. If you're outside a swing state every lib in your life should vote Green or PSL to show they don't support genocide. If you're in MI, NV, PA, or other swing states those libs should vote Green or PSL to punish Democrats for literally arming a genocide. It's a good outcome for us if Trump wins one of these states by less votes than Stein + PSL combined get. Force the Dems to have to move left for once!

he really is the greatest investment they ever made. they never have to fulfill a campaign promise again.

Because that's an extremely easy position to argue against; It's the strawman of leftist attitudes on elections that liberals constantly pretend we have. Voting is incredibly easy for the vast majority of us, so we may as well vote third party to voice the popularity of leftism.

Srsly, if you want people in your life to actually help Palestine, there are much better ways. Maybe encourage them to donate to gofundmes on gazafunds.com or something. Go to a protest together. Tell them about the BDS movement.

But on the other hand, why do any of that when you could instead take the option of antagonizing them about their electoral choices. Really piss them off, get them to stop taking you seriously. Burn bridges and shrink your sphere of influence within your community. That’s what will really be helpful to the people of Palestine.

I can’t fucking wait for election season to be over

I think things are going to get real bad if the democrats learn genocide is completely fine.

I made the choice not to ban any of these nerds so yall could tear them apart.

If you're going to vote, the least you can do is not vote for genocide. It's the bare minimum of political activity! If people can't even do this how do you expect them to pick up a rifle and fight in a revolution?

I think voting doesn't achieve much by itself, but the PSL seems to be pretty invested in getting people to see Claudia and Karina, because the visibility helps them a lot. I don't see why we shouldn't be trying to help it along by encouraging as many people as possible to vote for the PSL and telling off libs for trying to browbeat us into supporting genocide.

So what's your number of Palestinians?

I disagree.

Just because stating "I support the genocide, I want them to keep doing the genocide" isn't the thing that actually keeps the genocide going, doesn't mean that a person saying it isn't a Nazi.

There's literally no logical contradiction there. You're not as smart as you think.

I think focusing on the fact that the current system gives us a choice between two genocidal fascists is actually an effective thing to do and a solid foundation for radicalising arguments.

literally the Nick Mullen bit about men in blackface interrupting Bernie Sanders to ask about what they imagine Black people care about

Maybe it's because I'm a cracker, but I cannot see the relation between cryptocurrency and opportunities for Black men.

You guys really don't get that your voting system only leads to two parties.

Goddammit I wish you brick headed libs would have some fucking humility. "URGH DONT YOU GUYS REALISE [the most common thing we all get spit into our faces all the time] HURH BET YA DIDNT THINK OF THAT HUH?"
Consider the following: you dont know what the fuck you're talking about. Consider the fact that we, just like you, have also heard these talking points as they get served to our head and ass every election season. Unlike you we possess critical thinking skills above that of a parrot, a memory that is better than that of a goldfish, and are slightly more curious than an adolescent ape. This leads to us doing slightly more than reading the headline of the most up voted thing on Reddit for the day, and grants us just a tiny bit deeper understanding of the system and the many flaws with it. Also fuck your mother for giving birth to an idiot like you.

As soon as one of those parties splits up, the other one will literally always win, that's just a mathematical reality.

I love presenting my own half-assed analysis based on an uncountable number of assumptions as "mathematical reality"

You've been doing this rhetoric for over half a century and all it has brought you is genocide, climate change denial (doing fuck all is the same as denying it), deportations en masse and a fascist police state.
::: spoiler and it was already a clichéd argument back then.

That's the real issue this time," he said. "Beating Nixon. It's hard to even guess how much damage those bastards will do if they get in for another four years."

The argument was familiar, I had even made it myself, here and there, but I was beginning to sense something very depressing about it. How many more of these goddamn elections are we going to have to write off as lame, but "regrettably necessary" holding actions? And how many more of these stinking double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote for something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils?

Now with another one of these big bogus showdowns looming down on us, I can already pick up the stench of another bummer. I understand, along with a lot of other people, that the big thing this year is Beating Nixon. But that was also the big thing, as I recall, twelve years ago in 1960 – and as far as I can tell, we've gone from bad to worse to rotten since then, and the outlook is for more of the same.

—Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail '72
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You really don't get it, but constantly voting for the "lesser evil" doesn't do anything other than make it more evil.

This is incredibly slow, but slow is how our society changes. Even the French revolution didn't just suddenly happen.

So first of all you show you do understand that people plan further than just the current election, yet you fail to comprehend the concept as it applies to the US. "UOHHHH PSL WOULDNT WIN SO WHY VOTE FOR THEM? THESE THINGS TAKE TIME DONCHA KNOW GUYS" yeah why work towards incrementally making another party popular when you can make it clear to those in charge that they can away with genocide instead.

Secondly: Tell me you know nothing about the french revolution without telling me. It did come very suddenly, that's one of the main things about it dumbfuck. It wasn't the result of centuries of agitation, it was the very present result of the conditions at that moment in France, not decades or centuries of work. The politics themselves developed along with the revolution, people didn't even conceive of killing the king until... Well until after it happened.
You think people in medieval times thought the king was good? The nobles would host tournaments on random plots of land, typically containing one or more villages that they'd just fuck up. Just ride thru and pillage and completely destroy. People would get their winter depots ransacked by the nobles as they passed thru with a small army. They were practically slaves for most of the time and essentially slaves the rest of the time. You think these people didn't fucking hate the monarchy? You think it took centuries of enlightened dickheads like you to go around and dare ask wild questions like "hey have you considered not giving three quarters of your grain to your liege lord? Have you considered the fact that your liege lord shouldn't be allowed to just put you in the pillock because he's bored?"
You should be ashamed for thinking the world functions as you think it does.

The real change is people gaining more knowledge, gaining a better understanding of reality, themselves.

Incredible take to have come from someone as dumb as you. Pull your head out of the toilet and read a book please. I dunno, start with settlers. I'd tell you to read some Lenin but we both know that would just lead to the immediate regurgitation of more trite drivel from you as we once again have to pretend like you have any novel insights.
In conclusion: Just say you don't give a shit about genocide. Just say you're supportive of genocide as long as you feel safe. Just admit you don't give a fuck about brown people, instead of having us got thru this whole charade. At least the republicans have the decency not to pretend to care. Finally .fuck whoever donated the sperm that assisted in the creation of you.

Edit: Either the anti-genocide bloc has enough sway to make one of the candidates change position or we don't matter enough and thus it doesn't matter wether we vote or not. The circular "you have to vote for her or she loses! No you aren't enough to make demands!" Is as asinine as it is obvious - Well obvious to anyone who is capable of even the most miniscule piece of investigation about the ideology they're mired in every day.

Double edit: Just realised you never answered the question. How many?

I'm going to exercise restraint right now and curb my gut reaction to beat you to death with a tire iron.

Please read the fucking room.

We do not accept this electoral process as legitimate democracy and refuse to participate in a system that perpetuates and is built on genocide both at home and abroad.

We cannot vote our way out of this so sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, maybe lurk a bit and listen to people here.

If you motherfuckers keep trying to convince us to vote for Klanmala we will eventually ban you because it's very tiresome and displays your fundamental lack of understanding of how politics, capitalism, and imperialism work. If you want to participate, you need to start acting like a student and not a reactionary teacher.

There is already a uniparty - the corporate party. Neolibs and Neocons united decades ago to pull the long con in America, and it worked beautifully. Gradual incrementalism isn’t going to get us out of this mess brother - it’s what got us here in the first place.