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Protestation
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My concerns about to ai go way beyond my problems with capitalism. The environmental impact, the degradation of the creation of art for the masses of people, the ethics behind scraping images...
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degradation of the creation of art for the masses of people
Ah yes the very same argument we heard when CGI, cameras, photography was invented. Probably also paper, canvas and clay tablets.
Also the meme also adress this, if it will go into open source and be available to masses, it will led to the proletarianisation of art, something that should not be overlooked as art was always gated by time so we historically see it being domain of owner classes not having to work for a living like priesthood, aristocracy and bourgeoisie.
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Generative AI is something inherently different. It's a bias multiplication machine. Have you ever visited CivitAI?
Yes, the application is similar. GUIs like ComfyUI are sophisticated and grant a good deal of control and creative freedom, much like Photoshop, DAWs or Blender.
All these technologies you mentioned have one thing in common they do not have in common with generative AI though: you could use them to model after the real world. Photorealism (as in: an exact representation of something existing in the non-digital realm) is achievable with all of those. It is not possible to achieve it with generative AI. AI only has its own "space" where it snatches ideas from. Gen AI can never be a gateway to art by itself, but its also way too powerful to just be a new tool.
Also I don't get how open source gen AI will lead to the proletarianization of art. What people need to create art is education, pen and paper, health, and free time. Making those accessible to everyone is much easier than to make sure everybody who wants to do "art" gets their 1000$ GPU and tons of RAM.
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If you think art only exists in the hands of the oligarchs you're woefully ignorant on the scope of what art is and art history.
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Those are literally the problems this post means. And all of what you mentioned could be described as a direct or indirect consequence/effect of capitalism as well (ravaging industrialism, culture industry, copyright for mee but not for thee). AI in this context is just a technological catalyst.
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These huge AI firms were operating at a loss hopped up on venture capital and speculation - it's the only way they can afford such a massive cost of training and running these huge models.
Under a Communist system such things wouldn't exist. If we wanted we could make one, but that would be a collective decision.
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There is no such thing as ethics in regurgitative AI (Artificial Idiot). That has been thrown away since the very beginning since models are trained off of vast amounts of stolen works.
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Intellectual property shouldn’t be a thing anyway. But that cuts both ways, companies should release their model weights freely instead of hoarding them.
If you train on public data, you should release public models. It’s that simple.
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Just because it was stolen doesn't mean the theft should be ignored.
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the existential risk
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environmental impact
Even without AI, humans are causing this and it's getting much much worse. The far right is winning all over the globe, trump is president with his "drill baby drill" and recently opening up national forests for logging. The right is winning and gaining in numbers and they don't give a shit about the environment.
A communist takeover of AI could eventually lead to it helping with environmental problems. But we ain't getting anything commie any time soon. Everything looks like fascism is the only thing potentially on the menu.
degradation of the creation of art for the masses of people
Not sure what you mean by this. As a thought experiment, what if, decades to come, AI can produce art that is orders of magnitude better than any human being could ever create? Music, movies, sculptures, whatever... Anti-AI people will disagree, but I want to see what that would look like.
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@Yawweee877h444 @agentnycto please stop calling it AI
PLEASE
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Art is more than a quality picture. It's an innate human activity and an action of self expression. It's a creation made by a living things, making choices in its creation, to express itself. Ai slop doesn't do this. It's like ordering a cheeseburger without pickles and saying that you cooked it yourself.
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Thermonuclear war could apply, too.
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@protestation I've described the ideology behind generative AI as commodity fetishism taken to the point of a psychotic break.
That is, generative AI is intended to replace human imagination and human relationships entirely. Writing code or drafting an architectural drawing is about understanding what you're trying to do. Writing and art are about communication between the participants.
In a communist society, generative AI would be only a toy that's not worth the trouble of maintaining.
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