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Dutch court convicts engineer to 5 years for maintaining crypto mixer Tornado Cash

www.patrick-breyer.de Conviction of Tornado Cash programmer: Privacy is not a crime!

On Tuesday a Dutch court sentenced the programmer Alexey Pertsev to five years in prison. The court found him guilty of money laundering because the "Tornado Cash" software he developed enables criminals to carry out completely anonymous and untraceable crypto transactions (so-called "crypto mixer")

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The same logic should apply to manufacturers whose products are used in committing a crime...
- That logic they're using should be burned with fire.
  With that logic, cars being highjacked for a crime should make the company liable for the crime (Revolutionary actions would also count as crimes). That gives car manufacturers alot more legal reason for adding kill switches to their vehicles' engines, which would most likely be used by cops for whatever the fuck they want.
  How about DJI's drones being used to kill individuals in Ukraine? Steam decks are currently also being used by Ukraine to control machine gun turrets remotely, and they're able to be used that way explicitly because they use regular OS's (a major boon to its users.)
  This type of regulation would only further lead to anti-consumer products, and a stronger police state.
- Uhh really hope that's sarcasm...
  
  I dunno. If you manufacture tools designed specifically for killing, for example, you've definitely played a part in somebody's use of your tools for killing.
  
  I can't think of many examples. Maybe electric chairs and guillotines.
  
  Military weapons, which should be banned lol.
  
  You cannot get select fire firearms as a civilian, they're effectively banned.
  
  You've never heard of guns?
  
  They're not necessarily made for killing. Most people defending themself with a pistol (whose only purpose is for shooting humans) would not want to shoot for the head or chest
  
  Ah yes, I forgot that all pistols have a "wound only" setting.
  
  Was tornado cash made for laundering money?
  My point is that gun manufacturers will say they make their products for defense, not killing. Knife manufacturers, same. Hammer manufacturers, same.
  There's very few products which everyone can objectively say are designed for killing.
  
  No, guns are tools designed specifically for killing. They have no use as defense if they can't kill. They're not shields. You also can't hammer a nail with a gun, or cut a steak with a gun.
  
  You can sport shoot with them, you can hunt for food with them, and every military uses them...for mainly defense.
  
  How does hunting not involve killing?
  How does such military defense not involve the act or threat of killing?
  
  This. I guess people here aren't familiar with skeet
  
  There's very few products which everyone can objectively say are designed for killing.
  Yes, and guns are one of them.
  
  There's very few products which everyone can objectively say are designed for killing.
  Agreed, it's very rare, guns are absolutely one of those things though. They're the perfect evolution of the personal handheld killing tool. You just point it at the thing you want dead, push the button, and you've got a good chance of deadding it immediately with your first try.
  Guns don't have a secondary use, like how a knife can whittle a tree branch into a nice spoon, or cut some thread, or skin an animal. Guns cause massive damage to whatever they are pointed at, and sometimes to the things around that thing too, if you're particularly unlucky.
  They're the solution to a problem when you need the solution to be "escalate this situation to 1000% and start killing stuff".
  Gun manufacturers who say they're made for defence and not killing must be delusional or confused about what their products do, or just lying to their potential customers for.... who even knows what reason.
  They are made to defend yourself by killing the person you need to be defended from. Pure and simple. They are truly as cut and dry a tool for killing things as there is.
  Nobody is out there shooting people defensively with some non-lethal mode built in to their high speed projectile metal lumps that tear through the human body, causing parts of it to explode and massive trauma to the surrounding tissues and organs.
  Do guns exist that fire beanbags, or tranquilliser darts, or such? Absolutely, but none of us here are talking about those types of more specialist guns. We're talking about your standard gun, the kind they sell to lots of civilians in countries like the USA.
  
  There’s very few products which everyone can objectively say are designed for killing.
  What do you think the first digital computer was invented for? Hint: it wasn't world peace
  
  I'm downvoting you, but only because you wrote "whose only purpose is for shooting humans", which is false statement.
  Really, you could have used better examples like brass knuckles. They can't be used for anything else other than injuring and killing people.
  
  You hoped right.
  
  Well apparently the rest of the people here didn't get the memo

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