Could the Federation defeat Star Wars' Empire in an all-out war?
Could the Federation defeat Star Wars' Empire in an all-out war?
Would a Federation warship like the Defiant out gun a Star Wars Star Destroyer? Who has a bigger armada? Who has the tactical advantage? Don't forget that The Federation includes the Klingons, who love warfare and have fast, agile, heavily armed ships, with cloaking devices, and the Vulcans with superior logic and tactical planning.
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You should be ashamed that you left out the true fighters of the Federation:
But let's be honest, the UFP would win. The UFP have that bomb that Soran used to explode a sun in Generations. The Empire destroyed a few planets. Sun destroying civilization beats planet destroying civilization.
I mean, are we not counting the New Order Starkiller base? I'm OK if we are, but they did blow up a sun.
I totally forgot about that scene. But the new empire sucked up a sun with a planet sized base. Soran blew up a sun with a missile barely bigger than a car. I still give the UFP the win.
There was a similar weapon in the extended universe, not that Disney cares.
I dunno', IMO it's kinda' an orthogonal question to both universes.
Star Wars is about a struggle for what's right despite what space-fantasy crazyness you'll have to face. Star Trek is about trying everything short of violence before resorting to violence.
The overwhelming power in Star Wars is more about opressive threat and allegory (like what's her face that has to get trapped in a cluster of black holes) than raw power, and in Trek, their extreme ability to do violence is to highlight how important the other options are. They almost always easily win the gun show, but they're almost never happy for doing it.
So in the end, they both have very different forms of power represented. Star Wars is probably more capable of destruction over time since it's always the whole galaxy at risk, but obviously Trek vaporizes plenty of things in one blast in any specific encounter. Hence why the Borg and Q, and shape shifters, and black puddles of sentient death, and such extreme entities have to show up when they want a classic threat to stay a threat.
In SW, it's all fantasy that's powerful. The setting itself is rugged, and only the powerful are powerful, so it has a much bigger hill to climb when pitting the few things with any kind of statistic against each other. Both universes have any number of means to defeat the other depending on what's available and what actually works, who gets the jump, etc. Some things in both universes are insanely destructive by statistic, so one unarmored turbolaser shot or one full blast, unshielded phaser blast, is taking out an entire ship and then some. In either universe. Supposed to anyways, as much as they downplay turbolaser hits in the movies and games necessarily. Like how Halo would be drastically different if it were designed with any of the stats in mind.
Soran's device was essentially an anti-bomb, based on how Worf described it:
Trilithium is a nuclear inhibitor. In theory, it could stop all fusion within a star.
If you shot it at a Star Destroyer I think you'd just give a handful of unlucky stormtroopers trilithium poisoning.
You don't shoot it at the star destroyer. You shoot it at the star next to the star destroyer. When you take away nuclear fusion you get a large explosion more commonly known as a supernova. Everything within a few dozen light years is now obliterated. Gotta think like the Emperor if you want to beat him.
You don't want to bring real-world physics into this. If you turned off fusion in a star, it would still shine for thousands of years.
A star massive enough to supernova, during the final stage, is held up by fusion. Fusion in the core continues to make heavier and heavier elements in stages. The final stage is measured in days. When that stage completes, the supernova initiation is measured in fractions of a second. The resulting shockwave travels faster than 10% of light speed.
Isn't 10% of lightspeed something like below Warp 1 in Star Trek, and SW Hyperdrives much faster?
Seems like it would be easy to outrun for the fleets, and then mostly a weapon for extinction purposes, which UFP seems much more squeamish about than the Empire
Well now we've just arrived at MAD, in space. Both sides deploy their Star Killers and both galaxies are rendered uninhabitable.
both galaxies are rendered uninhabitable.
The vast majority of stars are not big enough to nova, no matter what you do to them.
a supernova is caused by nuclear fusion
Depends what type of supernova you're talking about. Type Ia supernova are caused by runaway fusion but most supernova are caused by core collapse which is when the fusion in the core dies out and gravity wins causing the star to explode. Depending on the size of the star you might even get a black hole at the end of this explosion.
A supernova is caused when a star runs out of fusion fuel. The inner layers collapse, causing the outer layers to fall to the core, which causes the boom.
Carter and Mckay both destroyed a sun
McKay destroyed the majority of a solar system.
Does it though? Sun destroying is of limited use in a war for control, as both the Empire and UFP seem keen on.
