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US's Blinken says no to any Ukraine peace deal that doesn't include total Russian withdrawal

apnews.com Blinken warns Ukraine cease-fire now would result in ‘Potemkin peace,' legitimizing Russian invasion

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken says the United States and its allies should not support a cease-fire or peace talks to end the war in Ukraine until Kyiv gains strength and can negotiate on its own terms.

“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

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pull out of what? we're not in. we have no troops over there like we did in afganistan.
- Pull out of the proxy war that US engineered and is currently fuelling. This war will be over as soon as US stops pouring billions into it.
  
  "Over" with Putin having gotten what he wants after killing millions of Ukrainians and still occupying their land. So no, fuck Putin and fuck anyone who supports his insane bloody quest for glory.
  
  As Obama clearly explained years ago, there's only one way this war can end:
  Obama declares Ukraine to be not a core American interest and that he is reluctant to intervene in the country, because Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there. “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.”—President Obama
  The only question is how many people are going to die in the process. Fuck anybody who supports continuation of this war. All the west is doing is prolonging the suffering. In the end this will end the same way as every other noble adventure the west was involved in. It's absolutely incredible to see that people are utterly incapable of learning from prior experience.
  
  (edit) - Wow it's only been like 24 hours since I've been on Lemmy and I've been in arguments with and been down voted by tankies and fascist supporters.
  There were plenty of people back in the day that said the U.S. should stay out of Europe and the Pacific. That we should just let the Nazis and Japan do what they pleased. Those people were either cowards or traitors.
  In the end, it's clear one country is the aggressor and must be stopped before they wipe out the other. Your argument boils down to "nah, fuck them Ukranians, let them die because Putin wants it". Nope.
  It's Putin's war. He can end it when he likes by getting the fuck out of Ukraine.
  
  I recommend reading this book produced by US military, it makes it pretty clear that allies played a minor role in WW2. USSR was who defeated the nazis:
  a few quotes from it
  Meanwhile, calling this Putin's war is an incredibly reductionist. The war is a result of tensions that were largely escalated by NATO, and plenty of experts in the west have been warning about this for many years now. Here's what Chomsky has to say on the issue recently:
  https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/
  https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/
  
  Academics, such as John Mearsheimer, gave talks explaining why NATO actions would ultimately lead to conflict this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
  These and many other voices were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.
  What's going to happen in the end is that US is going to stop funding the coup regime in Ukraine just like they stopped propping up their puppet regimes in Vietnam and Afghanistan. This is likely to happen soon because election season is coming up, and Biden isn't going to want to have this debacle hanging over him. At that point the war will be over. It's absolutely stunning to see that grown ass adults can't understand this.
  
  Or, we'll bolster Ukraine's military until they kick the shit out of the pathetic remains of Russia, they'll rise up and kill Putin, and then struggle for the next few decades to get out of the dark ages that Putin sent them back into.
  In the end I don't really give a shit what a tankie bot account has to say, so have a day.
  
  Can't wait to see what tune you'll be singing next year when your regime abandons Ukraine.
  
  The US was involved in WWII from the beginning. They were just on the side of the Nazis. The State only intervened openly in the end to prevent the spread of communism. Then they made sure to rescue as many Nazis as possible and put them in positions of power in West Germany, the EU, and NATO, etc.
  Since that war, the US has been doing 'what they pleased', exactly what the Nazis and what Japan would've done. To this day the US tortures, runs concentration camps, and brutally oppresses billions of people around the world.
  Those who argued for the US to stay out were right then, and are still right today.
  
  Gotcha, we'll put you down in the "should have let the Nazis win" column then.
  
  I think you've seriously misunderstood what I said.
  
  buddy, you don't know what you're talking about.
  
  Buddy, I know exactly what I'm talking about, here you might want to educate yourself https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

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