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What episode/season/movie do you consider as the ending in an otherwise long running franchise, and Why?

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Andor is probably the last Stars War that I'll watch unless they come out with another one that learns from it. DS9 took Star Treks seriously and the result was a show that has relevant ideas 30 years later. Until Andor, none of the Stars Wars I've seen have taken the universe seriously. They've expanded on it in unnecessary detail and obsessed over that detail, but intellectually they've all felt flat and liberal. Andor spends three episodes showing the Death Star through Foucault and you get one brief shot of it after a full film-length of watching how a gear is made using slave labour. That dialectical materialist analysis of the empire is so much more interesting than any battle or Jedi scene across the whole canon.
- I really liked the Acolyte. Not necessarily for its acting but it leaned into the idea that dark side and light side are not so different and the Jedi can cause a lot of suffering by sticking their noses where they don't belong. Also, there are force users that don't fit neatly into those two categories and just want to do their own thing.
  Sadly, we won't see a second season, because some "fans" on the internet got mad that women, people of color and - very shocking - queer people exist in the Star Wars universe.
  
  Sadly, we won’t see a second season, because some “fans” on the internet got mad that women, people of color and - very shocking - queer people exist in the Star Wars universe.
  It sucks that these people exist, for many reasons. One of these reasons (surely not the worst one, but the one I want to focus on) is that it muddies all criticism of a project. Your comment implied that this was the sole, or main, reason that The Acolyte was canceled, so I want to jump in here to say:
  Having more women, people of color, and queer characters was the only refreshing thing about The Acolyte, and I wish more Star Wars projects took notice. Other than that though, the show is an utter disaster. It was incompetently written and directed, its story and characters make no sense, and the effects can be jarring.
  Characters either have no defined motivations, or their motivations flip flop at the drop of a hat. Scenes dealing with the Jedi order and the republic fuck with established lore and do lasting damage to the Jedi order (not in the sense that they are shown as morally gray, but in that they are utterly incompetent and seemingly don't remember the appearance of the Sith during living memory, for example).
  Speaking of which, yes, the show tries to portray Jedi/Sith as a gray area, but
  a) that has been done to death at this point, seriously, every other SW project tries to do a "ooooh but maybe Jedi not completely good!", and b) The Acolyte is probably the most incompetent version of that I have seen (so far!).
  I hope I have demonstrated that this show can be critiqued bar any bigotry, and I think it should be acknowledged that that, together with the giant sum of money it ate, are the reasons it got canceled - I am sure Disney also does not like the bigotry, but sadly, they get that with every project, even those that do not get canceled....
  In any case, there is no comparison to Andor to be made, SMH.
  
  That concept is great and truly one worth exploring but the execution left alot to be desired. Character motivation wasn't explored enough and it left alot of the choices the jedi made seem just ham fisted. Leaving the whole concept of them sticking their noses where they don't belong as just arbitrary.

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