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say what you want about President Camacho, he earnestly tried to solve problems as he saw them

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American citizenship is not a universal Human Right. At least that's what most Americans believe.
As long as the country purports to be democratic, their views ought to be respected, however fringe they may seem by some standards.
- Historically, it was open borders - as long as you had the correct skin color.
  Ellis Island didn’t send anyone away - unless they had like TB or something.
  In the 50’s - many Mexican Americans who were legally citizens were deported in “Operation Wetback.” Based on skin color/appearance - which matches with the reports of what ICE is doing now harassing Native Americans.
  It’s never been about following rules, it’s always been about being the right kind of person
  
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- Views that include believing people who are different from you aren't people at all should never be respected, for any reason, ever.
  
  borders are dehumanizing
  Could you expand on this?
  
  It's impossible for me to expand on thoughts that came from your head and not mine, so since I didn't say that you'll have to try again.
  
  How do you equate the view that
  Some people are American citizens and some people are not. American citizens decide who becomes an American citizen. People who "break into" America without permission will be removed from America.
  with
  American citizens believe that non-American citizens are not people
  ?
  
  I've yet to encounter someone who is against illegal immigration that isn't also majorly racist.
  
  But on what basis do people support illegal immigration?
  Sure, the average Mexican citizen would probably live a better life as an American citizen, but so too would the average American citizen live a far better life as a Swiss or Monegasque citizen. Do all Americans have the right to move to Switzerland and enjoy the privileges of citizenship?
  Should NGOs be flying Americans to Monaco and putting them up in the Hotel de Paris? Where does it end?
  Far better to bloom where you're planted, in my humble opinion.
  
  On the basis that it shouldn't be illegal in the first place. Borders don't need to exist. Borders should not exist. People should be free to come and go and work and play anywhere they want, anywhere on the planet.
  Far better to bloom where you're planted, in my humble opinion.
  Easy to think that when you come from a place that has a pretty high quality of living. I seriously doubt you'd have that opinion if you were from some place like Somalia or even Mexico.
  
  People should be free to come and go and work and play anywhere they want, anywhere on the planet.
  So, for example in a neighborhood, everyone is free to live in whichever house they please, with no obligations for maintenance or utilities (i.e. the duties and responsibilities of citizenship). How would that work out?
  First, naturally, people would head to the nicest house on the block. Eventually, it would get too full and too dilapidated so people would move to the next nicest house, and so on until the "niceness" of each house reaches an equilibrium point where there is no longer incentive to move because the next house is just as nice (or not) as the one you're living in.
  Should anyone try to "fix up" a house and succeed, theirs will become the nicest house on the block, attracting everyone to move in. Very quickly, their effort will be negated and everyone will move back out since it isn't nice anymore.
  The only stable equilibrium for this system is one in which all houses are equally miserable, and getting even worse. That's why houses have locks, and that's why countries have borders.
  
  What about the EU, where most countries have open borders? I dont see romanians all go to Belgium, Germany, France, where life is so much better. Last time i checked, Hungary still has a population and its even bigger than Norway
  This assumes everyone would do things in their own short time self interest and ignores a lot of factors
  
  If only people had friends, meaningful occupations, local amenities they enjoyed.
  Something that would cause them to be invested in the wellbeing of the community, town, neighbourhood they had chosen to live in.
  If only there was some way for the other people who lived somewhere to think about the future of their homes and community.
  Shame capitalism inventivises against all that in favour of profits and convenience. 🤷🏽
  
  First off, shitty analogy for equating paying taxes.
  Second, if everyone is treated like a citizen no matter how they come to live in a place, then why wouldn't they pay taxes the same way I and most everyone else does; by having it automatically deducted from our pay before we even get the check? The only reason illegal immigrants don't contribute this way is because the system prevents it. And the system only prevents it so that racists have an excuse as to why certain groups of people should be excluded from things without straight up saying it's because they don't want to see people that aren't carbon copies of themselves.

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