Trump calls Zelenskyy a ‘dictator’ as US rift with Ukraine deepens
US president warns Ukrainian leader he ‘better move fast or he is not going to have a country left’
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This is disgusting... It's not even subtle how they're trying to change reality. If you weren't afraid before, this is terrifying.
Next we'll be putting boots on the ground to "liberate Ukraine from Zelensky's tyranny..."
Jesus fuck that's scary. I thought we europeans would need to fend of Russia in the near future. Now it might be the USA as well.
I quite sincerely believe that the long term goal is for the US to formally ally with Russia in a war against the EU.
I'm not kidding.
WW3 is probably going to be US/Russia/China vs Europe/Canada/Mexico/Japan?
China is going to sit on the sidelines and swoop in suddenly to “win” the war, just like the US did in both World Wars previously. Being the only country not rebuilding is an attractive position to be in when vying for economic dominance.
I wonder if the geographical proximity to Russia will allow China to do that? American was able to sit it out because of, you know, oceans.
That’s why the Russian world politics strategy prescribes fomenting war between China and India. To keep them busy while Russia fuck Europe with the USA’s blessing.
I’m not entirely sure if geographical proximity is even relevant any more in a world where spaceflight exists.
It's very relevant. Wars are still mostly fought by troops on the ground, and you have to be able to get them to the place you want to invade. About the only other option is to try to physically destroy a hostile country with nuclear weapons, but that's pretty much guaranteed to be disastrous for all parties involved.
Chinas economy is crumbling as the youngest generation refuses to start after a historic flood season. Considering the new tariffs which eliminates Chinas ‘cheap labor’ sales tactic, China is expected to struggle throughout trumps presidency.
I'm not so sure China will be on their side.
They're kinda backing Russia already materially and supporting the Trump culture war
They're playing the long game and having everyone else destroy themselves so that they can swoop in afterward. Much like how the US did after WWII when most of the world was rebuilding.
If they were, there wouldn’t be a real war
America is so split, I think we’d see a red America (allied with Russia and/or China) and a blue America (allied with Europe, Canada, Japan, Australia) fighting itself. There would be defections, sabotage, and theft of all American military stuff.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I would hope there’s enough good people in the military or former military with connections that would fight any alliance with Russia.
The only ppl who believe that are engaging in radical politics. That’s you! Even in the most blue state, there are red areas. Even in California, there are red counties. America is not so divided that red voters in New York would love to Russia. If you think it is that divided, then maybe you are part of the people creating the division.
Nah man. I agree with you.
I’m only saying hypothetically, if America were to ally and there was no way to come to a unified decision internally then you would likely see a division. I’m not saying that I think it would literally happen at all. I really don’t think it would. I’m an American in my 40s and Russia has always been the big bad boogie man you don’t want to become.
You clearly aren’t Mexican if you think Mexico would join forces with Canada before America lol
Would we be considered "an ally" is Putin is running both countries? We be more like a satellite office of the Russian empire.
I can tell you don’t work for the government because only someone uninformed would legitimately think there are enough Russians on earth to overtake 330 million Americans.
I can tell you don't follow politics or the news if you think they need to "overtake" us when the elected president is capitulating to their every desire while half the voting population cheers it on.
What desires are being capitulated? I legitimately don’t know any American who is a ‘fan of Russia’ but I can’t even say what Russia wants, much less find it in the current movements. Can you list a top 5 list of wants that’s more detailed than ‘overtake __, rule ___.’ It looks like Trump is doing what he wants and playing sales games.
To start, we have Trump calling Zelensky a "dictator" and blaming Ukraine for "starting the war with Russia." We have Trump negotiating the removal of sanctions against Russia. We have Trump calling for Russia to be re-added to the G7. Russia hacked the DNC in 2016 and leaked all their information to help get him elected the first time. During his first term, we had Republicans walking around like this:
Russia wants the power and influence of the former USSR. They're doing it by destabilizing and weakening western countries like the US and UK via bot farms on social media, getting people like Trump elected and leading them around by their nose, getting Brexit passed, stoking animosity and conflict, engaging in proxy wars like in Syria, supporting dictatorships like North Korea, trying to destabilize NATO while forming their own organization called BRICS, etc, etc.
Well, Zelenskyy does fit the definition of a dictator in that he cannot be replaced in office. Does that make him one? Not really, it’s a weird war time law. But no one else but him is allowed to fix the problem for Ukraine. Russia has funded both political parties in America because the goal is to destabilize America. They did a great job at it! If Russia had the choice between pushing America into its own self destruction vs exploiting the relationship for a benefit, Russia will choose option 2 because it’s cheaper, easier with less complications. Sorry, I do not believe that Putin is the secret president of America. That sounds irrational and I can’t find a single fact online to support the claim. The world can see that Biden had political ties Ukraine and Trump with Russia. That’s what politicians do; pick sides, build fleeting relationships, and manipulate storylines to win.
I somewhat believe that there won't be a U.S. if that begins to happen. At some point, the states themselves will have to do something drastic for their own sake rather than let that idiot do something so inconceivably bad as starting a global conflict.
Maybe it's unfounded optimism, but I feel like the United States would self-immolate before a war against the EU could take off.
Willing to put your money where your mouth is? Texas would have broken off decades ago if it was a feasible idea.
I’m with Adderbox on this. I think there are too many people within the gov or military that would not just up and join Russia. There would be dissent and sabotage, perhaps even a civil war here before America would just straight up join Russia.
America looks divided on the global stage but I’ve never met an American IRL who vocalized a want to become Russian. It’s a ‘Russian mail order bride’ because most Americans don’t want to be Russian.
Has there ever been Time in history when the European block showed a majority favoritism towards America?? I’ve never known a Europe that didn’t hate America. What’s new?!?
You 100% will. Maybe not directly, but get ready.
bad news, truly, this is what i believe from all evidence i've seen, most european nations have no standing armies, and no conventional weapons stockpiles, only uk and france have nukes. europe will begin to cauterize ukraine soon in order to concentrate on their own borders, but their defense spending has been so low, for so long, they couldn't offer a token defense to the russians (not even mentioning the americans) in 10 years, and that's if they started diverting enourmous parts of their gdp currrently going to social services like health care, yesterday
most european nations have no standing armies, and no conventional weapons stockpiles
Wherever you're getting your information from, you should probably look elsewhere.
Honey, America doesn’t have battle tanks because they are outdated. Carrying ppl into war via vehicles is some 1940s war behavior. Modern war is focused on subs, planes, and targeted missiles. Less waste, less civilian death, more precise. Unlike Europe, America has enough war experience to learn what works best. America is sending their outdated handmidown tanks, not a B83.
Honey, you're a one hour old account with nothing but horribly bad takes on everything.
Good luck
Is there an internet law that says I’m not allowed to comment the day I sign up? Stop this mentality lol
Yes. It's rule #33, "Lurk more -- it's never enough".
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You got video of that?
I think you are overestimating Russia. Sure Ukraine has US support, but it’s still a fraction of what fighting all of NATO (minus the US) would look like.
I’m more worried about economic and propaganda warfare. For instance, y’all need to regulate the shit out of engagement-driven, commercial social media before it’s too late.
I hope most Europeans don’t think like this because it would take long at all for America to decimate Europe. There are several simulations across decades to plan for these scenarios. Who would stop America? Not India, China or Russia (assuming Russia follows history and doesn’t unite with Europe). Canada could try but they are one of the weakest countries in the planet nearly totally dependent on America with 3/4 of Canadian exports being bought by Americans. America has played nice for decades and I guess everyone forgot why America keeps getting involved in wars; because we tend to win wars.
ok. best of luck with that. i don't think i'm overstimating russia, or understimated european capability, and more importantly european resolve.
Yes you are.
I ninja edited, but the point I am trying to make is that if you focus on physical military defense, the US and Russia are going to destroy you in the economic, cyber, and most critically, public opinion space. Demagogues will brainwash everyone without a single shot fired, as they are already doing.
Public opinion? Whose? Europe’s, who look down on rampant American capitalism and Trump? Africa’s, who have just been screwed by Trump and Musk? The Middle-East, who have been screwed by America for decades? Asia, who are waiting to hear what China says?
How about Europe's own right wing movements, and their massive public followings. Brexit? AFD? Hungary? Many more are gaining traction right under your nose.
Take it from an American; that's just the start.
Brexit wasn’t left/right wing. Eurosceptics on both sides. I’d also point out France where right-wing populism ultimately lost out despite an increase in protest votes.
There’s also a greater tradition of public service broadcasting, meaning politicians are more rigorously interrogated than in the highly commercial, partisan American system.
The EU and EC are somewhat stabilising influences too. An EU member government simply wouldn’t be allowed to do some of the stuff Trump is doing.
The lack of economic and political agility in Europe is a big reason much of Europe is 2nd world, and why Europe won’t return to its previous state of popularity for at least another 100 years.
Europe’s, who look down on rampant American capitalism and Trump?
Unfortunately, there are still plenty of fascist Europeans. Anecdotally, my mom recently told me her friend likes Trump, and that same person votes for our own far-right party whose leader has essentially been trying to emulate Trump.
One of my biggest fears that I think not enough people have though about, is that - due to how much more connect the world is with the internet - WW3 would devolve into a bunch of civil wars. WW2 was extremely different from WW1 and already had its far share of in fighting in some countries, this time it could be worse and happen in basically every country involved.
Do you think the global militaries haven’t spend a considerable amount of time strategizing possible war scenarios? If every country on earth had no strategic planning, then perhaps it would evolve into some wars within each country. But many countries have been running simulations for the scenarios since before electricity.
But many countries have been running simulations for the scenarios since before electricity.
Right, I was gonna make that point, but it seems you made it for me. Because despite doing that, most wars in recent history, especially the world wars, did not go at all as predicted. Both world wars played out very different from previous wars and from what was to be expected. A standout example is British strategy for both world wars: in the first they made shitty trenches because they didn't realize they'd be used so much; in the second they made much better and more comfortable trenches because they had learned from the first war, and they turned out to be mostly useless because the trenches used were no longer static.
Spain even had a civil war as a prelude to the second world war, then during WW2 you even had Vichy France and the French Resistance fighting each other, and recently we had the Syrian civil war. Right now, it seems the USA might be on the brink of civil war as well. Not sure what makes you so sure WW3 wouldn't devolve into several civil wars when people are so much more connected with people from other countries nowadays.
With the ego of the average European, I don’t think Europe could ever lose in the court of public opinion. Too white, too much history, too much wealth. Maybe if South America can come up properly or South Africa continues to be a destination, but America is predisposed to be a public opinion loser after decades of controlling western media, being the global police, and providing rights to people when other countries refused to provide those rights. While all of those things are beneficial and can be good, Europe is fundamentally not the leader of global freedom. They are the leader of Western culture, not freedom. Western culture is very popular but freedom isn’t always popular.
I'm sorry, but that's absolutely patently false information.
https://www.worldatlas.com/society/the-largest-standing-armies-of-the-european-union.html
Top 10 Largest Standing Militaries Of The European Union
| Rank | Country | Army Size |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Italy | 338,000 |
| 2 | France | 304,000 |
| 3 | Spain | 199,000 |
| 4 | Poland | 189,000 |
| 5 | Germany | 183,000 |
| 6 | Greece | 147,000 |
| 7 | Romania | 128,000 |
| 8 | Portugal | 52,000 |
| 9 | Hungary | 46,000 |
| 10 | Netherlands | 41,000 |
(Yes, I may be showing off that I learned how to make tables today).
If that were true then what have EU countries been sending to Ukraine this entire time? IOUs?
Trump can act this brash because Europe is nearly defenseless. Just considering the land mass and population sizes, there is no competition. But then consider that Europe isn’t as coordinated as America, there is room for reduced performance in war. But the biggest factor is that Europe has no defense money. They have relied on America to save them for over a century and the consequences are: Europe can’t intervene with them Trump Putin talks because they didn’t earn a seat at the table.
That wouldn't surprise me. Trump is without doubt serving Russian interests. Next, Trump will try to pull the US out of NATO, after that he'll push for an amendment to scrapping the maximum of two presidential terms. US democracy is being rapidly dismantled along with the West.
Can USA get kicked out NATO? Is there any process allowing that?
Well it was the same narrative bs with the WMD in 2003 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
They have precious minerals they aren't willing to give us. We've done something similar for oil, so your scenario seems realistic.
If you are referring to Iraq, not selling oil to the US wasn't their big sin; it was trying to establish international oil trading in a currency other than USD.
Before or after they put boots on the ground to "liberate America from liberal tyranny"?
If this is terrifying you, get therapy.