Mark Carney to launch bid for the Liberal leadership in Edmonton on Thursday
Mark Carney to launch bid for the Liberal leadership in Edmonton on Thursday
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I do not support any person who has not been elected by Canadians becoming Prime Minister of Canada, regardless of who that person happens to be.
A PM's resignation should automatically trigger a Federal election, not allow any member of the ruling party with $350,000 and a few hundred signatures a chance to take over without one.
Our system is fundamentally different than the presidential republic that the yanks have, you do not vote for the PM, you vote for your rep. The PM is the person with confidence of the house, which often is the plurality party leader, but there's no requirement of this at all, there's history of the PM not even being an MP in Canada, two of them were senators who took office after the PM died.
Your MP is your voice, tell them to vote non confidence if you truly feel that an election should be called, I feel fairly safe to say however that once parliament resumes we're going to see that happen anyhow and the writ dropped shortly thereafter or the PM asking to GC to dissolve parliament.
Feel free to read the rest of the thread.
I have already addressed this, and won't repeat myself.
While I can get your intent in that you feel that the PM should have a mandate (again, arguably that mandate is fulfilled if they are capable of maintaining confidence of the house), Canadians are ignorant about our system of government (anecdotally, I know Canadians who consume more American news media and pay attention to their elections, but don't do the same domestically, likely contributing) which is a problem (and a point of irritation for me).
I understand how the system works which is why I disagree with it. I am also against FPTP, for Mandatory voting, and against the party system in general. Doesn't mean that is "how the system works", and that doesn't mean I am an "Ignorant Canadian" for stating something is wrong when it is.
The fact of the matter is right now only members of the Liberal Party of Canada get to decide on who the next Prime Minister is without that person being required to run an election campaign. All you need is a Liberal membership, $350,000, and a few hundred Liberal signatures for the top job. Which is wrong.
Electoral reform means electoral reform, and unelected people allowed a chance at becoming the Prime Minister is one of the things we should reform. Especially when internal party leadership elections are one of the big targets for election interference.
Funny enough, the only precedents for a Prime Minister not winning an election are Liberals. I assume this is because Canadians would lose their collective minds if Conservatives pulled the same thing.
First off, on reading, yeah sorry. I meant no offense, was the headline on the article I chose and I said, it really bothers me how disengaged Canadians are from our political system to the detriment of us all.
To be pedantic, Arthur Meighen was a Tory PM appointed after Borden resigned, and again after the Byng-King affair. More recently, Kim Campbell was appointed after the resignation of Mulroney
I do agree with you wrt our system needing changing, I'm vehemently in favour of literally anything but fptp but prefer something like stv. Personally, I'd also be in favour of rescinding the mandatory election dates put in place in what, 2007-2008 and really would like to return to the per-vote subsidies (just get money out of politics period).
That's why you aren't supposed to be voting for the person as prime minister's, you are supposed to vote for the party you think will best represent you and your local representative within that party.
My point, that I believe was quite clear, is that if Carney wins the Liberal leadership race he will be PM without having to have been elected running for the party as an MP. Which is wrong regardless of how the voting system is "supposed" to work.
But he would be elected. He would be elected by the people elected to be your chosen representative within the party. When you elect your local MP you give them the power to choose the leader of the party. If you don't think they will be capable to make that choice for you don't vote for them.
The only people voting for the next PM are members of the Liberal party of Canada. Which includes the MP's, Citizens, and permanent residents registered with the party.
My local MP is not Liberal, and therefore doesn't get a vote. I am not a Liberal, and therefore I don't get a vote. If I had one, it wouldn't be going to a Liberal.
But I don't get to vote on the next PM because the next PM's platform isn't being tested against the other parties platforms in an election.
My point is if the PM steps down it should trigger an immediate election. The Prime Minister should not be chosen by a fraction of Canadians under any circumstance.
I would not be getting any resistance to this complaint, and minds would be lost, if Pierre Poilievre were PM and stepped down only to have Galen Weston jr. win the Conservative Leadership race and become PM.
Welcome to first past the post democracy.
Sounds like proportional representation would be what you're looking for which Trudeau decided against and most conservative politicians would never even consider.
Sounds like you haven't read a thing I said because this isn't a problem with FPTP, this is a problem regardless of which system we use to choose MP's.
Feel free to make a point addressing what I said without the upturned nose.
Like it or not, we don't technically vote in a PM in Canada. We vote in a local candidate, who represents a party, and that party is in control of the party leader. So realistically, very few Canadians are ever actually voting for the person who is designated PM. But don't let that stop you from getting upset.
The Leader of the party controls the platform and messaging of potential MP's. Meaning we vote for the Leader of that party and their platform, not the person representing them locally.
This is why the Conservatives lost under Sheer and O'Toole, while leading in the polls under Poilievre.
If it was all about the person at a local level why have their been so few independents elected? Are they all ignorant and incapable? Why do good MP's get voted out when the Leader is messing up if it was about the local MP's? Why are their so many "Fuck Trudeau" flags? Where are all the "Fuck -My local Liberal MP-" flags? Why is Pierre always talked about instead of the local Conservative MP's? Why is it all about Singh regarding the NDP when so many MP's in the NDP work their asses off locally?
Realistically, the majority of voters vote for their preferred Party and that Parties leader without ever knowing or caring who their local MP is.
No one is expecting Carney, or anyone else, to serve as an unelected PM.
No one is expecting Carney, or anyone else, to serve as an unelected PM.
My apologies, I didn't hear that the federal election was scheduled for March 9th after the Liberal party has chosen their new leader.
Do you have a source on that?
Do you have a source for that?
Well, I'm an expat, and I got an email from Elections Canada (edit)
remindingtelling me to make sure my information is up to date before the end of the month. So pretty sure at least some parts of the government think it's coming down the line pretty quick here.....Well, I am a space alien, and Elections Canada sent me an email
remindingtelling me to disregard the next election entirely because I have been chosen to rule over Canada indefinitely. So pretty sure at least some parts of the government think it's coming down the line pretty quick here...Have you considered taking a break from eating a sheet of acid a day? Might do wonders for your mental health.
I have considered it. Too much fun though.
Do you have anything meaningful to add or are you just going to keep being an ignorant troll?
Pot calling the kettle much?
Not at all.
I responded to you exactly as you have responded to me, with unverified nonsense.
In case you are unaware responding to a request for a source with a story about something that totally happened to you isn't a way to provide a source.
I won't waste further time with you and hope you choose to do the same.
Righto 👍
The likely scenario is that, immediately upon Parliament resuming next month, the Liberals will immediately lose a confidence vote, triggering a snap election. The opposition parties have all stated that they will initiate a confidence vote at the earliest opportunity.
In the unlikely event that doesn't happen, I imagine JT would remain on as PM until the mandatory election this fall. Were he to step down, he would probably appoint a sitting MP as interim PM.
As a fun(?) aside, Canada has had two PMs who served while members of the (unelected) Senate, and MacKenzie King and John Turner both briefly governed without a ministerial seat.
The likely scenario is that, immediately upon Parliament resuming next month, the Liberals will immediately lose a confidence vote, triggering a snap election. The opposition parties have all stated that they will initiate a confidence vote at the earliest opportunity.
In the unlikely event that doesn’t happen, I imagine JT would remain on as PM until the mandatory election this fall. Were he to step down, he would probably appoint a sitting MP as interim PM.
There is a lot of "likely scenarios", "probably", and "imagination" required for me to accept your point of view when I asked for a source on when the next election is.
Please don't waste anymore of my time with conjecture.
As a fun(?) aside, Canada has had two PMs who served while members of the (unelected) Senate, and MacKenzie King and John Turner both briefly governed without a ministerial seat.
It is strange to support an argument that something won't happen by demonstrating how it has already happened.
Okay then, the next election will happen when the next election is called.
Let me know if I used any words that are too big for you.
Okay then, the next election will happen when the next election is called.
Let me know if I used any words that are too big for you.
Just say "I don't know" when you don't instead of pretending like I am the problem not understanding the very basic English you are using to communicate.
I know it is hard for a Liberal considering the center right starting point but at least make an attempt to be better than Conservatives when you fail to support your argument.