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I got banned from Hexbear (in my opinion!) unreasonably, cannot appeal the ban or anything because my account is based in Lemmygrad

NOTICE:

I realise now that the main problem here was my post on Hexbear, It was shitty and failed to get across my actual views. I still wish I could've been allowed to properly discuss it, but I understand the decision to ban me. Looking at my original post, I can very much get why that is ban worthy, even though that wouldn't be my decision. What happened happened, as much as I'd like to further expand upon my views, I'll try not to waste your time by trying to explain my views that I fully do not understand, that I've developed throughout the process of arguing with people in the comments. I feel silly for making this such a big deal, sorry. You could look through my replies here to see a further expounded on version of this post here. It really boils down to misunderstanding and semantics, I agree with most of the substance of the comments on this post on their face, it is just that often argued in favour of things I didn't mean to. My view of anti-Semitism boils down to, yes it is present, but it is not systemic. As I already mentioned, you can look through the replies if you want to see more of that

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  • About most Jews being Zionists, I don't know why they threw a fit over that. That's a factual statement, most Jews ARE Zionists. I mean, almost half of all Jews globally live in the settler project.

    That shouldn't make anyone reconsider their anti-zionist stance, because genocide, ethnostates, fascism, and colonialism don't magically become better bc it's not white supremacy flavored. To me, I accept that most Jews are Zionists. That's not going to make me support killing babies and blocking aid, bc I don't care what most Jews think. If something is wrong, it's wrong no matter the race.

    This is why people keep getting called anti-Semitic, they're banking on you caring that you're going against the wishes of a majority of Jews which makes you (in their eyes) an anti-semite. If you don't care and tell them "no matter the race genocide is wrong" they'll learn to use another argument. Don't budge, don't let them use their Jewishness (or someone else's) as a bludgeon against your values.

    Unironically being concerned with being called an anti-semite will only associate Zionism with Judaism/Jewishness. That's when actual anti-Semitism starts to rise. I can't tell you how many times I've seen the take that isntrael controls America (and not the other way around) across countless social media sites. Whenever you correct them, they bring up AIPAC, they bring up how people can get deported for bigotry* against Jews but not any other race, the various wars & operations in SWANA for isntrael, etc.

    They're drawing horrible conclusions from actual facts, the days of "Jewish cabals are secretly ruling the US illuminati style!!1!" are gone, now they bring up things that are actually happening or have actually happened.

    I think they overreacted, that place is stupidly toxic and doesn't want to call out/ is very uncomfortable with calling out the mistakes that marginalized people can make. I think you should take the ban as a blessing, there's nothing to go back to except death threats and mods that want to ignore the user base.

    *Bigotry here is any criticism against isntrael. They actually do not care about conspiracy theories and lies against Jews. They have no intention to protect Jews and Jewishness outside of isntrael support.

    • I think they overreacted, that place is stupidly toxic

      Pot calling the kettle black...

      • Yeah, we don't lose our entire instance over abject moderation failures or have cult of personality mods that hand out death threats.. Not really. Try again.

        • What are you referring to with "cult of personality mods that hand out death threats"?

          Edit: No, seriously, there's clearly a history here and I don't want to be kept in the dark.

          • One of the mods before being removed/stepping down (don't remember name) was gifting out death-threats to a user. There is two mods off the top of my head I can think of that has cult of personalities around them. I believe one of them has been removed or kept as a mod.

            At the same time, they are a friendly instance. I'm not here to start drama with them. When brought into comparison though, I'm gonna be honest.

            • I see. So the first issue isn't really an active problem anymore since that mod is presumably long gone now, and then the other issue... Well, I can't really think of any mods or admins with "cults of personalities" around them, or at least I don't notice such a thing. I do think that people on Hexbear are sometimes too lenient on the mods and admins when they do poorly, "because they're volunteers", though — the opposite of being too harsh on a team of volunteers is of course also bad, but many people in any case aren't at the sort of "golden mean" for relating to the site staff, and I think this is a real issue.

              On Lemmygrad, the problem I identify with its culture is really what I've heard people call "debate pervertry" — it feels like because Lemmygrad generally takes itself more seriously and is more hesitant to "slap people's wrists", that there's just less of a leveling mechanism compared to Hexbear. People aren't "insulting the meat" as much here so to speak. So this sometimes ends up enabling, put simply, "sophistry" from Lemmygrad users, that I find very grating and unpleasant. So this is what I mean when I say that Lemmygrad has a toxic culture, but maybe it's less toxicity per se and more that online cultures are sort of self-selecting, so Lemmygrad probably feels much less toxic if it's the sort of culture you thrive in, whereas Hexbear is the sort of culture that I thrive in and so that's my main instance that feels much less toxic to me.

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