German-Israeli Shani Louk is confirmed dead, 3 weeks after Hamas captured her and paraded her through Gaza

This may come as a surprise to some whataboutists, but it turns out that multiple things can all be senseless tragedies at the same time.

Yeah, but one's 3000 times worse.
- Picture that girl.. pile of meat being raped to death. Picture hee mother picturing it. Call her a hot girl who's life has no value some more. Great work humanist.
  
  Picture that girl… pile of meat being raped to death.
  He does so often. We all know why.
  
  Yeah. Then picture ten times as many children being bombed, shot, and starved while living in horrendous conditions at the behest of their occupiers.
  
  Damn, you right, this is justifiable
- Leftists are such cannibals with their pity points maths. Reprehensible.
  
  Thank you for pointing this out. I am a leftist. I am an athiest/agnostic from a Muslim family. I wholeheartedly condemn what Israel has done and is doing to Palestine. That being said, fuck Hamas so much. They are no better than the Israeli government and IDF, and they would be worse if they were the ones who had the upper hand. You can support the plight of the Palestinians while condemning Hamas. They aren't mutually exclusive.
  Conservative Islam is like Conservative Christianity with nothing to hold it back from going full crusade mode. Abrahamic religions are a curse on the world.
  
  Conservative Islam is like Conservative Christianity with nothing to hold it back from going full crusade mode. Abrahamic religions are a curse on the world.
  I agree, although I'd characterize them more as extremists than conservatives. There's a lot of extremist Jews intentionally starting shit too; the way that some of the Orthodox Jews treat Palestinians is atrocious. Their flash-mob takeover of the Al-Aqsa Mosque was citied as one of the reasons for Hamas' terror attack. When one believes that they are right, that they are the chosen ones, and are literally supported by God, it's a recipe for endless conflict and atrocity with no end. Compromise becomes impossible without going against one's conception of God.
  I suspect all parties would behave differently if they gave up traditional myth and realized that we only have one go through this life and it's not a prelude to something else.
  
  Well said. Extremists is a good word, as there are religious people with conservative beliefs that still wouldn't cross the line into violence.
  I completely agree that the world would be better off if we could somehow shed the chains of harmful religions. The decline of religion seems to come about naturally with education and modernization as shown with the decline of Christianity in the modern western world. The myths start to lose their power when there is access to a bunch of evidence to the contrary of what some musty old book says.
  Iran used to be a beautiful place when the people in charge there were focused on modernization instead of religion. As soon as conservative Muslims took over, the focus was put back on Islam, and the place is an authoritarian third world hellhole now.
  
  Iran used to be a beautiful place when the people in charge there were focused on modernization instead of religion. As soon as conservative Muslims took over, the focus was put back on Islam, and the place is an authoritarian third world hellhole now.
  Which is a shame, the refugees I've met from there have always been friendly and there's a lot of fascinating history and tradition and natural beauty in that part of the world that I'll probably never get to experience because of extremist hatred. If they come to their senses I would love to visit Iran one day.
  
  Why do you think not wanting people to bomb children is simping for Hamas?
  Why do you think giving a shit about bombing thousands of children is 'concern trolling'?
  
  Because "Muh Team."
  
  One cannot bomb Hamas without bombing children because Hamas hides behind children. If one allows this to prevent tactical bombing, it's now a tactical advantage, so expect more of it.
  They are keenly aware of the reaction that the inevitable deaths of children they caused will illicit in the media.
  Of course Hamas could be deposed without the bombing if Gazans did it themselves… It would be nice if they showed as much concern for their own children's safety as they expect Israel to.
  
  So you see, we just have to bomb children. It's the moral thing to do.
  :wrings hands insincerely:
  
  It's the same reason one doesn't negotiate with terrorists. It's not because the world doesn't want the hostages returned safely, it's to discourage the taking of future hostages by removing the advantage it confers. You let them successfully hide behind children and they will hide behind even more.
  
  I’m decently far left as well and my general opinion is that both sides of this conflict are bad guys. Ain’t no winners here.
  
  "pity points maths," AKA logic.

They're all fucking innocent, you monsters.

True, but the 3000 Palestinian children don't get a whole series of articles for each individual one. They're just a number, and apparently a meaningless one, given the ferocity of attacks by the Israeli government that has no limit when it comes to "retaliation".
- Yeah how dare people naturally gravitate towards emblemizing a specific victim who's name and face randomly surfaces past the rest early on as a representation of the ongoing crisis!
  Nobody's stopping you from writing an article about any of those 3000 kids if you care that much that someone else got spotlight coverage.
- Because the number three thousand is probably made up by Hamas. Hamas also doesn't have a register of the young people they draw into their cause.
  They also don't first get the names of all the people living in an apartment complex before they start stockpiling guns there and start shooting rockets from there.
  Because they don't care for their names. They care for the fact that they can control international support by having a high number of civilian deaths.
  
  In your opinion, how many women and children died?

But that article is particularly about her.

Same children whose shoulders Hamas used to prop up their guns while firing as Israeli soldiers?

No, the ones bombed by the IDF.
- Has anyone on Lemmy ever read about Hamas before a month ago? Hiding bombs and murderers behind children is what the world knows of them. It's fact. Cute watching you all catching up on the conflict in 15 minutes.
  
  How many people defending Israel now have read about their funding and support for Hamas? Netenyahu's government supports the most extreme of the militant groups within Gaza purposely to keep Palestine divided. Even his supporters in Israel are aware of and critique this fact.
  
  is there further reading on this? I know in the past Israel sent material to Hamas (Governor's of Gaza) in attempts to curtail rocket attacks
  
  Here is one op-ed article from the Times of Israel about the topic: For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
  Washington Post article from 2014: How Israel Helped Create Hamas
  
  Thank you for the articles
  
  Whataboutism. My comment did nothing of the sort
  
  Yea these people are so confused in their own stupidity they end up being pro-terrorist.
  
  Is it self defense when Hamas kills and kidnaps civilians?
  No.
  Is it self defense when Israel bombs an area with the high potential for civilian deaths?
  Yes.
  Happy to help.
  
  Hiding bombs and murderers behind children is what the world knows of them. It’s fact.
  Really cuz I've been asking for evidence for 3 weeks and nobody has bothered to link even a single source with 3rd party confirmation.
  Edit: Literally since Israel bombed the AP building 2 years ago I have never gotten a single source in response. Nobody even tries.
  
  Here is an analysis of this Hamas strategy by the NATO:
  Hybrid Threats: Hamas’ use of human shields in Gaza
  
  Since 2007 per your peer comment https://stratcomcoe.org/publications/hybrid-threats-hamas-use-of-human-shields-in-gaza/87
  
  Yeah the "Hamas using kids as human shields" thing has been tried and true IDF propaganda for years.
  Hamas operations in Gaza aren't taking place from military sites, because THEY DO NOT EXIST. Israel will not allow them, because why the fuck would they??
  Gaza is an open air prison that is incredibly densely populated. With no area ever possibly being cordoned off for military actions, where would one recommend they do these things from? You live in a prison, you work with that you have.
  They're not using human shields, they're just launching their attacks from the only options that exist to them.
  
  A prison of their own making, mind you.
  
  Are you saying that Israel, the occupying, is not responsible for the suffering of the country they occupied?