Kim Jong-un bans hotdogs for North Koreans, cooking them an act of treason
It's one of the most popular items around the world. Now it's banned in North Korea.
Not the hotdogs!
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According to Radio Free Asia (RFA)....
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Yeah this is fake.
The hotdog looked at you?
How so? Genuinely asking. Is that not a credible source?
It's a piece of media that's critical of a fascist regime, and the person who says it's fake is a .ml
if they ever answer, it'll be dismissive about how all western media is biased against china/nk/Russia. That's as close to an explanation of "why it's fake" as you'll get.
You should always be critical of any media that doesn't have a concrete source though. I don't personally know anything about radiofreeasia, so fuck if I know how reliable they are to begin with.
if they ever answer, it’ll be dismissive about how all western media is biased against china/nk/Russia. That’s as close to an explanation of “why it’s fake” as you’ll get.
Look through the modlog for Removed Comments. The answers kesucay is removing talk about how it's a CIA-linked org with staff appointed by Washington.
And none of them back those claims up. Or actually attack the credibility of the story.
Now then, are you here to defend Kim Jong Un too?
And none of them back those claims up.
"those claims" meaning that RFA is linked to US intelligence/politics?
Are you saying RFA isn't a branch of US interests? I have never heard anyone make that claim before.
See 1st paragraph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Agency_for_Global_Media
38north.org is a pretty decent source on North Korean news.
Or actually attack the credibility of the story.
You have the burden of proof backwards: WHY would anyone believe that "hot dogs are banned in North Korea". It simply makes no sense. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
There's no reason to think the story is credible. I've searched it and it appears RFA posted it in November, then The Sun picked it up 3 days ago. Then various repeaters.
Are you saying RFA isn’t a branch of US interests? I have never heard anyone make that claim before.
No, I'm saying that their reporting and fact-checking is credible.
38north.org is a pretty decent source on North Korean news.
Yes, it certainly appears to be.
You have the burden of proof backwards: WHY would anyone believe that “hot dogs are banned in North Korea”. It simply makes no sense. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
Because North Korea's dictatorship has a well-documented history of atrocities and bizarre, freedom-limiting proclamations. Heck, it's well-known for banning foods that it considers contrary to its culture, such as sushi, and it's hard to imagine a more western food than hotdogs.
There’s no reason to think the story is credible. I’ve searched it and it appears RFA posted it in November, then The Sun picked it up 3 days ago. Then various repeaters.
And RFA is credible.
a well-documented history of atrocities and bizarre, freedom-limiting proclamations..... it's well-known for banning foods that it considers contrary to its culture, such as sushi
"well-documented".... then a link to worldpopulationreview.com without a mention of their source??
You are coming across as someone who believes things they read on the internet.
People have done a good job in the more upvoted comments of showing you why you're jumping to conclusions, but you keep doubling down like you have something to prove.
Pyongyang is not North Korea. It's a Potemkin village designed to present a false image to the rest of the world.
And it's hilarious to accuse me of jumping to conclusions when all I've been saying is that RFA is credible and we don't have a reason to believe they're lying about this.
If we end up with evidence that they're lying, I'll happily remove the post.
Pyongyang is not North Korea. It’s a Potemkin village designed to present a false image to the rest of the world.
You are going down a rabbithole of increasingly improbable beliefs. First you say hotdogs are banned; then you support that by saying sushi is banned; then you support that in turn by saying that a city my friends have been to is a lie. This city.
Surely at some point you'd realise, "Wait I've been fed lies." Nobody can seriously believe that Pyongyang is a propaganda piece.
Reminds me of the Wikipedia edit war where people were trying to claim that a shared bicycle scheme "is propaganda".
I'm going down a rabbithole? You've entirely bought into North Korean propaganda and believe a city they literally use as a showcase for foreigners to lie about life in the country is somehow representative of the country, and I'm the one going down a rabbithole?
Surely at some point you’d realize, "Wait I’ve been fed lies." Nobody can seriously believe that Pyongyang isn't a propaganda piece.
Foreign visitors are given strict routines and routes they must follow, with government minders at all times to prevent them from photographing anything they don't want seen or talking to people who they aren't approved to talk to. Of course it looks good in the photos and videos that are allowed out, because it's a carefully constructed and orchestrated falsehood.
But even in that, it fails, because of what's so obviously missing from Pyongyang that you find in pretty much any other major city.
Ever been to an actual large and well-off city that isn't in a despotic dictatorship? Paris? Tokyo? London? New York? Mexico City? Toronto? If you've ever been to any city like those, you'll find you don't have government handlers, can take photos of anything you want, there is traffic on the streets of all sorts, there is music, there is entertainment, parts of the city will be dirty while others are beautiful, and no one is putting on a performance for you.
This is a photo of downtown Pyongyang:
Do you see what's missing? That's the largest city in the country, in the middle of the day. A four-lane street cutting right through the heart of the city - and it's nearly empty of traffic. The street next to it clearly has more people in it, but most are on foot.
The image of the city as presented to people like your friends that have been there really is a lie. Not everything, of course... I mean, people do live, work, and go about their lives there, too. Obviously. There's a great uncut video of a drive through Pyongyang here that highlights that fact - just people, living their lives. It matches pretty well with the video you shared, too. Real people, walking the streets of Pyongyang. No dispute there.
But both videos also highlight how weird the city is, with the regular propaganda street-signs, the fact that the streets are far over-built for the traffic that they carry, the sparseness of all forms of traffic (seriously, the parts of the videos that are most densely packed with people still look less active than cities 1/10th Pyongyang's size), the weirdly identical brutalist apartment buildings everywhere... And then, once the driving video leaves downtown Pyongyang, cars basically vanish from the street (which becomes much more poorly maintained). It becomes apparent that people are walking - likely for hours - to get to and from their places of work.
Other things I looked for and didn't find in either video:
Seriously, watch any video of a driving or bicycling tour through nearly any major city in any other country, and you'll see astonishing differences. It's impossible to watch your friend's video or the driving video I shared and conclude that's a thriving city when compared to cities like Tokyo or Paris.
On closer inspection, everyone who claimed it's fake is from .ml, and they all post to the same anti-western, pro-fascist subs. I think they're brigading everywhere this story got posted.
I'll be banning the lot of them shortly.
It is absolutely a credible source.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/radio-free-asia/
I'm not sure what Porcupine is going on about.
i've found so many easily verifiably false things on rfa
I'm not sure why you linked that video. The haircut thing wasn't strictly compulsory, but North Korean state television did, in fact, broadcast a show called Let's trim our hair in accordance with the socialist lifestyle, along with another show that used hidden cameras to find and shame people whose haircuts didn't meet their standards.
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/haircut-03262014163017.html that's not what radio free asia reports... so even if what you're saying is true, it's still radio free asia knowingly lying... and if the headline was "dumb socialist tv show tells people to have the same hairstyle as kim jong un" then it loses all impact.
Why doesn't radio free asia let us verify their claims with the evidence they must have gathered to make the report? Y'know, like a reputable news agency would?
That's a different story from 2014, not about the 2005 broadcast.
Why doesn’t radio free asia let us verify their claims with the evidence they must have gathered to make the report? Y’know, like a reputable news agency would?
You might as well ask why journalists don't put targets on the backs of their anonymous sources by publicly identifying them. ALL reputable outlets sometimes use anonymous sources to protect the lives of people living in precarious situations. North Korea is not exactly known for treating citizens who talk negatively about how the government operates there well.
If their source is "some guy said" that's not a credible report, even with a name.
If their anonymous sources are incapable of gathering evidence anonymously, they are useless sources.
Why don't they post evidence of their claims, they don't need to give names or anything?
A name wouldn't be evidence of anything anyway...
Also the fact that it's a different story from 2014 ruins your point not the other way around...
Based on what? That you don't know it?
https://www.rfa.org/english/
I don't see anything particularly wrong with it on the surface.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia
The service, which provides editorially independent reporting,[6][7][8][9][10][11] has the stated mission of providing accurate and uncensored reporting to countries in Asia that have poor media environments and limited protections for speech and press freedom.
6 references to the Independent reporting part! Seems pretty OK to me.
Imagine defending RFA
Please provide backing for claims that this story is fake and that Radio Free Asia is not credible.
The facts –
Source for anti-vax claim?
You do know where DW, the one source you provide, gets its money?
The comment thread from this point down is useless.
Source for anti-vax claim?
You do know where DW, the one source you provide, gets its money?
There, wasn't that easier than debating "whose job" it is to look up Wikipedia?
Source for anti-vax claim?
Buffalox already posted it.
? I'm not going to hunt down whatever you're referring to.
DW money?
Brandolini's law moment.
You want me to "hunt down" the DW background? I'll do the labour if you do, ok?
I know the DW background, I live in the country they're based in. I'm asking if you know the background of the source you use.
Also, still waiting for anti-vax source.
On 11 May 2021, Fact-checker First Draft News found that Chinese- and Cantonese-language versions of Radio Free Asia (RFA) published anti-vaccine misinformation regarding the Chinese vaccines, particularly the ones manufactured by Sinopharm and Sinovac. The investigation found the RFA articles amplified misleading claims about the vaccine programs, and its stories were reprinted by popular tabloid newspapers to reinforce the anti-vaccine misinformation.
From Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia See the controversies section.
Dw is founded entirely by the German culture&media ministry: https://corporate.dw.com/de/wer-finanziert-die-deutsche-welle/a-279073
The point made was probably that it is ironic you wold use them as a source for RFA being government-founded insinuating that makes them inherently biased.
Now you go.
The point made was probably that it is ironic you wold use them as a source for RFA being government-founded insinuating that makes them inherently biased.
He didn't claim that tho? DW started being discussed here – https://lemmy.world/comment/14345095 – where it talks about Trump/Biden hiring/firing staff at US Agency for Global Media (USAGM).
Are you saying Trump/Biden did not in fact hire/fire staff at US Agency for Global Media (USAGM)?? Coz that's the only reason you'd bring up DW's credibility. Otherwise you're just diverting.
Ah. So you don't actually have any credible citations to back up your contentions about RFA, you just don't like them saying true things that put North Korea (!) in a negative light.
Weird to go to bat for an insane dictator, but hey, you do you.
Or rather, I should say, you do you somewhere else. Not here. Bye.
Did you just ban him? because he gave you the information you asked for?
They banned them for being a dedicated propaganda account for complying with their request. This shows two things:
The moderator here lacks integrity.
psycho killer: kescusay
Good thing I'm from the "safe instance". Apparently two people with similar opinions from the "bad instance" constitutes brigading. If my eyes rolled any harder, they'd pop.
Every pro-North Korea post was coming from a group of accounts that all post to the same anti-Western and pro-fascism subs on .ml. I've banned the lot of them, and don't feel the slightest twinge of remorse about it.
If the best RFA-apologia source you can come up with says they "published anti-vaccine misinformation", they're not credible.
6 references to the Independent reporting part! Seems pretty OK to me.
Did you just count the number of sources and call it a day?
Anyway RFA have a long-standing awful reputation, CIA links, and the hot-dog story is implausible on the face of it. You're making me do a lot of work to debunk fairly obvious misinformation.
The DW source (which @Lumidaub@feddit.org casts doubt on)
lolno I didn't. Don't put words in my mouth.
No.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/radio-free-asia/
I don't know why you're trying to claim this is fake, Radio Free Asia is a credible source, and North Korea is ruled by a brutal and insane dictator. This is a credible news story, and it stays.
Mediabiasfactcheck is not exactly unbiased themselves.
They're self-contradictory in their own assessment here. They find no failed fact checks, yet their accuracy is rated as "High", not "Very high". No motivation is provided for this. They also state RFA lists sources, but most articles on North-Korea especially only cite "Residents in the country", thus not providing anything verifiable. It's also why most major news outlets don't use RFA as a source, their stories are not verifiable. It's mostly sensationalist tabloids like The Sun in this instance that uses them as a source.
Additionally, Wikipedia does mention some failed fact checks, especially concerning anti-vaccine misinformation. See the article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia under Controversies.
RFA is not a particularly credible source for this reason. It's basically impossible to prove many of their claims, so scepticism is warranted.
This of course doesn't detract from the fact that NK is ruled by a nutcase dictator who brutally oppresses his people. But we don't have to necessarily trust a story with as much credibility as some fanfiction here. This story could well be true, but I don't want to assume that this is fact based on the nonexistent sourcing.
Source on the claims about Kim's psychiatric health? Or are you being ableist?
