Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party
With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.
“With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.”
The other thing I don't understand is all the anger and vitriol from you guys. Everyone who lives in the US and contributes tax dollars to the federal government supports genocide. The US has been supporting Israel unconditionally for decades. Do you really think Kamala Harris is sincere about stopping this, given how Biden's administration has handled the situation? Or any other Democrat or Republican since Carter?
They do more then what Trump does. Regardless by letting Tump win you are saying you are okay with the genocides going on in Ukraine. At least more might survive under Harris. Under Trump they will die too. And you will be every bit as guilty as anyone who voted for trump because you could not get over your ego and do the littlest fucking thing for your beliefs.
Does anyone in the green party even have experience on the federal level?
Again, not understanding where the anger is coming from. I'm not even supporting a specific candidate. I'm pointing out that 3d parties that take a stand against US imperialism will always have support, because neither major party can be trusted in this regard. And again, for some people, this is a line they won't cross. I'll stop now because clearly this is unproductive.
You're actively getting in the way of stopping a genocide. Of course people are angry at you.
Lol yeah Russian puppetry sure is anti genocide
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
How does voting for the Democratic candidate helping Trump win? That makes no sense.
Because that's how election math works; a vote for Harris is taking a vote away from a third-party candidate and is giving it to Trump. So people who vote for Harris are really trying to help Trump win.
That's the Lemmy logic that gets thrown at me all day every day, so I'm a believer now. You did it Lemmy!
Oh, I thought you were debating in good faith. My bad.
Yeah, they've never done anything in good faith. They're allergic to it. Their main goal in life is to be an infuriating contrarian that everyone despises.
That does seem to be the case. Nobody can be that stupid. Just a troll doing troll stuff.
Yep. A shitbird through and through.
But I do believe that. And I am voting third party. So it is in good faith.
That math would only work if Harris was lower in the polls. If she had less of a chance to win.
She is tied for first place. So your math is backwards. A vote for a third party is taking votes from Harris.
I stand by what I said.
You are going for a degree in education, and you can’t understand how if Harris is higher in the polls, that a vote for somebody else is taking a vote away from her? You plan to teach individuals but can’t understand how if person is higher in the polls that if you vote for somebody who is lower in the polls, you’re taking votes from the person higher in the polls?
I mean technically a vote for anybody else is taking a vote away from somebody else, But I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of people would not see it your way.
You seem to be implying some light mockery of my degree, yet it seems you missed the nuance of my comment, which was actually turning the same logic people use against third-party voters back on them.
The point is to show how absurd it sounds when you reverse the argument. You say voting for anyone else is taking votes from Harris, but by that logic, wouldn’t voting for Harris be stealing votes from candidates who represent real change?
I understand how polls work, but I also understand that we’re allowed to vote based on who we actually believe in, not just who’s leading in the polls. It’s the classic "vote for the lesser of two evils" mentality, and I’m challenging that by showing how it leads to more of the same.
Better?
Awfully funny for you to be almost ten comments deep in a thread on a post from someone you blocked and that was posted days ago. You following me around with one of your alts just to post your new spam about Dems stealing votes from Stein?
Damn, that’s just pathetic.
Yeah they did this to me too. Unblocked me and annoyed me a bit then re blocked me
I don't have any alts. Thanks!
So 1) that doesn’t explain why you are spamming your sad little copypasta so deep in a thread you weren’t in; and 2) how you ended up on discussion of a three day old post of someone you blocked. Having to meet quotas must be hard, but I’m sure copying and pasting the exact same comment across multiple threads must really help with that. Hmm, or are you just keyword searching and posting your nonsense replies to random comments with a total lack of interest in good faith discussions?
And did you unblock me because you needed the attention? Wow, it just keeps getting worse.
Thanks!
I don't have to explain anything to you. Thank you!
So you can just stop there then.
Ok, thanks! Oh wait, other people haven't stopped yet, so I guess I can't either.
No, that’s true, you don’t. But it’s such odd behavior, don’t you think? I know you just started using Lemmy a bit more than a month ago, but your posting patterns and volume are unique. One might even say unprecedented - for someone behaving normally. Naturally it then occurs to other people to ask about the unnatural behavior and what motivates it.
Care to provide any clarity? Let’s just focus on why you’re copy/pasting spam responses deep in threads you haven’t participated in. You’re either obsessively reading thousands of threads you have no direct involvement in looking for opportunities for your sad copypasta or you’re using the search feature to accomplish those same things.
Surely you have reasons for such aberrant praxis?
One might even say unprecedented
Dude! Yes! I'm unprecedented! That's awesome! I like that, friend.
You're responding to plenty my posts, so aren't you doing the same "unprecedented" thing? Feel free to take a break from Lemmy if you feel you are on too much.
Look, I can post as much as I want whenever I want. I’m semi-retired, have a pension, and plenty of free time, so I’ll spend it however I choose. My life is awesome and I'm having an amazing time so far. I don’t owe you or anyone an explanation.
If you don’t like my posts, just block me, but I’m not stopping from sharing what I find interesting. I don't care if you think it's odd, or wrong, or whatever. Free country, friend.
Amen, brother! I'm socialist and voting third party, and Lemmy practically hates me and insults me every day.
Good so see someone else who is questioning the Duopoly. Stay strong, brother!
The US has been supporting Israel unconditionally for decades.
Yes because support for Israel is a complicated issue. All of the middle east is a complicated issue. We were spurned on by guilt for allowing the Holocaust to happen and then groups like AIPAC have spent millions(probably billions at this point) to make lack of support for Israel be considered antisemitism. And both democrats and republicans are supported by not only large numbers of Jewish Americans who believe that whole heartedly but a huge number of non-Jewish people who've been convinced of it as well. So no candidate who opposes Israel directly can get elected, literally ever. Because literally millions of Americans will vote against them just for uttering even the slightest waiver of support for Israel. Meanwhile Arabs in the middle east have made themselves well hated by most Americans through acts of terror against us for the last 60 years. So a large plurality of otherwise liberal Americans don't really care that Israel is wiping out Palestinians. Especially after Hamas gave Israel such a great excuse by attacking a bunch of innocent people at a rock concert and taking all those hostages.
So yes. The Democrats are using kid gloves to try to put a stop to what Israel is doing in Gaza. Because if they didn't, they would lose millions of votes of support. And since republicans don't give a shit about genocide, they are more than happy to pay lip service to AIPAC and Israeli interests. Meanwhile Trump and his allies are drawing up their plans to literally end our own democracy should he get elected.
But hey, you're voting you conscience and choosing to toss your vote in the garbage by voting for the one candidate that opposes Israel. Cause she's come out of hiding once again to stamp her name on a ballot and give you that peace of mind.
