Communism in theory vs in practice

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A big difference between Hasan and Vaush is that Hasan generally wastes very little of his time with sectarian nonsense or left-punching, while Vaush makes that one of his core focuses. Hasan networks with the Deprogram crew, Chapo, and other more Marxist aligned groups without screaming about "tankies," while Vaush leans heavily into that.
Hasan is also generally much better with foreign policy, even though I don't always agree.
The biggest thing is that Hasan serves as a great gateway to Leftist radicalization, while Vaush ends up preventing further Leftist movement, kinda like a more Libertarian Socialist-coded Destiny.
My fiancé and I will still watch Hasan even when we may disagree with him on some issues because he is generally entertaining and generally more correct than not, but would never watch Vaush.
- Hasan avoids arguing with leftists because hes a cowardly clout monger and can't debate for shit because he isn't really that smart and is captured to some degree by his audience.
  I don't hate Hasan, I do agree with a lot of his takes but hes fundamentally a less ideologically honest person than Vaush. Vaush doesn't give much of a shit about pissing off his audience, he does it constantly.
  
  Hasan isn't the most well-read, but he also isn't a debate-bro either. Vaush constantly trying to debate people online isn't being "ideologically honest," it's bloodsport for clout, ironically enough.
  Both serve as content creators that live through having enough "clout" to continue existing, but as influences on the Western Left Vaush does more harm than he does good, while Hasan does more good than he does harm. At the end of the day, shutting up when you don't have a clear and thorough understanding of a problem is a skill, and it's one Hasan tends to have more than Vaush.
  Neither are good for theory, for that it's far better to engage with the reading yourself.
  
  Vaush doesn't debate other creators anymore. His controversies have accumulated to a point where he is essentially walled off from that for various reasons. Too many creator's alienated and controversies fueling rhetorical weaknesses.
  I'm not talking about debate really though. What I mean about his ideological honesty is that he is willing to anger his own audience, Hasan is very careful not to do that.
  
  I'll repeat, shutting up when you don’t have a clear and thorough understanding of a problem is a skill, and it’s one Hasan tends to have more than Vaush.
  
  I mean sure its a skill in that it is deliberate public relations craft.
  
  "No investigation, no right to speak" is a good mantra. One should not speak on matters they don't know enough about. Vaush is confidently incorrect, Hasan more often than not just won't speak if he isn't knowledgeable (in comparison). The fact that it "preserves his image" is a side-effect, the true benefit is not contributing to a miasma of misinformation and misguided analysis like Vaush does.
  That's why Vaush is a danger to Leftists, while Hasan is generally not.
  
  Vaush is confidently incorrect
  On some things sure, hes confident about virtually everything he says. But I suspect what you think hes incorrect on and what I think hes incorrect on are different things. I even suspect you disagree with stances that aren't even stances he actually holds.
  
  I suspect that this vague gesturing doesn't really have a point for me to go off of if you aren't giving an example. If you don't want to, that's fine, but I don't see the point in this comment without one.

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