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The phone number is not associated with your account, it IS your account. In order for there to be metadata, there would have to be other data associated with it, which we've already established that there is not.
Your phone number is an identifying piece of information about the person who is sending and receiving messages. That's what metadata is. The content of the message is the data, the identifying information is metadata. Maybe spend a bit of time actually learning about the subject instead of trolling here.
Exactly, what we call this information is entirely besides the point. What matters is that it's being collected, and nobody outside the people operating the server knows how this information is used. If somebody says they trust Whisper and make a conscious choice to share that information with the company that's perfectly fine. However, telling people that the problem doesn't exist is dangerously dishonest.
Do you think if they were giving away extra information in NSLs and witholding that information in public subpoenas that no one would ask questions or hold them accountable for that?
Your phone number is an identifying piece of information about the person who is sending and receiving messages. That's what metadata is.
It's not. And I'm tired of repeating myself.
The content of the message is the data, the identifying information is metadata
Once again, no one has access to the content of the messages. Ergo, there is no metadata. Maybe spend a bit of time actually learning about the subject instead of trolling here.
It’s not. And I’m tired of repeating myself.
Yes, you continue repeating a demonstrably false statement. A very astute observation on your part.
Once again, no one has access to the content of the messages. Ergo, there is no metadata. Maybe spend a bit of time actually learning about the subject instead of trolling here.
Once again, nobody is talking about content of the messages. What's being said is that the identifying information about people sending and receiving messages is available to the server routing them. The fact that you continue ignoring this basic fact clearly shows that you're the one who's doing the trolling.
Trolling or ignorant. Or a secret third thing.
JWZ has had to go through the same kinds of circular conversations.
I find it fascinating that these people show up in every thread about Signal, and they just spam the same nonsense.
I like to think that it’s usually just because they’re socially invested in it.
It does very much feel like a cult.
Neither. I explained my/our rationale above. Your disinformation is making people unsafe.
Signal does not leak your phone number to anyone. You/they are just ignorant as to how the service works. Signal will notify you if someone YOU HAVE IN YOUR CONTACTS joins the network. It will not give you any of their personal information. Their ID will show up as whatever is already in your contacts.
How much personal information Signal does or does not reveal to other Signal users is not relevant to this conversation.
Then why did you bring it into the conversation?
I didn’t.
This conversation is about the the US security state. It’s about the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc.
LOL you did. The title of the link you shared is "signal leaks your phone number to everyone in your contacts".
I didn’t say that. You must be confusing me with someone else in this thread. But since you brought it up: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/03/signal-leaks-your-phone-number-to-everyone-in-your-contacts/
When you install Signal, it asks for access to your contacts, and says very proudly, "we don't upload your contacts, it all stays on your phone."
And then it spams all of your contacts who have Signal installed, without asking your first.
And it shares your phone number with everyone in your contacts who has Signal installed.
And then when you scream ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME and delete your account and purge the app, guess what? All those people running Signal still have your phone number displayed for them right there in plain text. Deleting your account does not delete the information that the app shared without your permission.
So yeah. Real nice "privacy" app you've got there.
I'm going back to Facebook Messenger, where at least the privacy failings are obvious.
But I’m more concerned about the security state angle.
Edit to add: I see, yes, one of the links I posted did say that, which I highlighted above. But again I’m more interested in the fact that Signal is a product of Radio Free Asia, which is a US security state outfit. https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/signal-facing-collapse-after-cia-cuts-funding
Okay, you've sufficiently demonstrated not only that you don't know what you're talking about but also that you have no evidence to back it up and your only recourse is repetition and personal insults so I'm gonna call it a night.
The only one making claims without evidence here is you bud. What I said is that Signal requires users to submit their phone numbers, and that only people operating the server know how that information is handled. These are objective facts.
You made a baseless claim that Signal does not retain the phone numbers or use them to build graphs of users. This is a claim that cannot be proven, and you keep repeating it as fact. Either you are clueless or you're intentionally spreading misinformation.
You made a baseless claim that Signal does not retain the phone numbers
So you've run out of personal insults and repetition and are just moving on to blatant lies now...
What lies are you referring to, please be specific.
For like 99.9% people, it definitely is.
What is what?
Well the first words of your own in your comment were "it's not," so...