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vovchik_ilich [he/him] @hexbear.net

5mo ago

Uyghur "genocide" denial? Instaban. Gaza genocide denial? No probs buddy

Libs: "THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION THAT THERE'S GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG, AND IF YOU DARE TO BRING UP THE LACK OF EVIDENCE OF ANY SORT OF ABUSE FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS YOU'LL GET BANNED!!!!"

Also libs: "Didn't you know that 15k of the 40k humans murdered in Gaza were actually terrorists?

Also, lots of civilians die in wars like the one happening in Gaza, it's sad but inevitable"

Fuuuuuuuuuck this shit.

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Nope. I don't understand why people think that one side needs to be right
- It's less about being "right" and more about which side is conducting a settler colonial genocide
  
  Israel. However hamas abducted 251 people and 97 are still unaccounted for. Two wrongs don't make a right
  
  Someone shoots you in the chest and kills your entire immediate family
  You try to punch them in response
  "Two wrongs don't make a right!"
  Add in a pinch of
  and a dash of
  and voilá,you have the average liberal!
  
  However hamas abducted 251 people and 97 are still unaccounted for
  It's notable that you think that the victims of a genocide should have no bargaining chips to negotiate with.
  EDIT: Also,
  Two wrongs don't make a right
  You are very willing to excuse stuff like the Ukrainian military attacking civilian targets and using civilian facilities to stage military activities. For some reason, it's only non-white people whom you apply these standards to.
  
  No I'm not. Just haven't talked about it yet. You got the numbers because I'm having trouble finding any
  
  No I'm not
  If taking hostages is enough for you to condemn a people to a genocide, then what the Ukrainian military does should be enough for you to support their loss, especially considering that the stakes are much lower.
  
  Who said I supported that? There you go assuming now
  
  Okay, if you don't support that, and you apply the same standards to the Ukrainian military, surely you support the defeat of the Ukrainian state, as well as a complete dismantlement of NATO and its states, right?
  
  The only mistaken assumption anyone has made here is that you have a coherent worldview or set of politics. We really shouldn't be assuming that.
  
  I have a give and take relationship with people on the internet.
  This is toddler logic. You have to use violent tactics to resist genocide, it inherently involves committing "wrongs".
  
  You're right. It's such easy logic that a toddler can understand it. What's your problem?
  
  My problem is the real world is more complicated than a children's book. Toddler logic doesn't work in it.
  
  What actions do you recommend victims of genocide take to overthrow their century-long oppressors?
  
  Win the debate in the marketplace of ideas
  
  Unionically that's where they seemed to be moving towards
  
  If I had that answer, I wouldn't be renting an apartment
  
  Then why condemn Hamas, rather than refrain from speaking on the matter at all?
  
  I try not to unless I'm asked
  
  You did, though. You took an anti-Hamas stance, condemning them for October 7th, without providing any analysis of what they should have done otherwise in your opinion.
  You could have just as easily said "I am uninformed on the subject and refrain from speaking on it until I am," and that would have been better.
  
  Please go back through the context
  
  I did. You said Israel was committing genocide, but "2 wrongs don't make a right." The conclusion is, therefore, that a hundred hostages against a genocidal oppressor is equivalent to a century of settler-colonial genocide.
  This is nonsense, unless you believe Muslims to be worth less than Israelis.
  
  Again. I support neither. I thought I made that clear
  
  The palestinians have the answer. They're doing it right now.
  
  Give us your best shot buster!
  
  No. Because this has all devolved into personal attacks, insults, and "gotcha" games
  
  Your initial comment was a gotcha game you disingenuous asshole
  
  Case-in-point. Thanks
  
  Do an experiment, Einstein! Grace us with your genius! I’m sure he would’ve come up with a good reason to tut-tut the prisoners in the Warsaw Ghetto for capturing a few Nazi “civilians.”
  
  Man. I'm really flattered. I keep getting compared to Einstein and it's just making my day
  
  Einstein was a socialist and refused to support Zionism.
  
  Hmm, weird. This doesn’t sound like an explanation of actions that an oppressed people could take against their oppressors.
  Want to try that again?
  
  You asked a gotya I asked a gotya
  
  A give and take relationship
  
  "Roll over and die"
  oppa gandhi style
  
  Haha. That's your takeaway?
  
  When all resistance is bad but you appeal to the idea that there's some undiscovered type of resistance that is acceptable, what you are telling the victims here to do is roll over and die until some Great Man discovers that undiscovered type of resistance that liberals don't condemn.
  Fighting Israel tooth and nail is the only answer, and the handful of mostly-military captives Hamas took (and Israel fucking slaughtered!) does not mean that there is any moral equivalency ("two wrongs") or that Hamas and its coalition are not the best means Palestinians have to fight Israel.
  
  Context: Gandhi suggested for the people being murdered by the nazis to not fight back
  
  More Palestinians were dead by October 8th, and the number since then has increased by two to three orders of magnitude.
  The people abducted were mostly military, and some elderly hostages were released very quickly on account of their age. Hamas takes pretty good care of the, it must be stressed, captives taken in a military conflict, while Israel has mostly been fine with slaughtering them in indiscriminate bombing in classic Hannibal Directive fashion.
  This is all ignoring that, outside of children (whose parents are to be blamed), there really aren't civilians on the border with Gaza, as the "civilians" are still part of the enactment of Israel's lebensraum.
  
  Two wrongs don't make a right
  Have you considered a much more urgent and pressing matter is that ISISrael has a city-state the size of municipal Johannesburg under siege; has destroyed every mosque, university, hospital, school, UN office, several diplomatic offices, the civil registry, water treatment plant, all farmland, media office, the Court of Justice, cemeteries, most high-rise buildings, effectively banned food and water, etc. At least 50,000 (likely even in the several hundred thousands) have been massacred, with priority targets being UN workers, humanitarian aid, civil rescue/defense, paramedics, professors, doctors and journalists. Several hostages have also been killed. Deaths of Hamas fighters in contrast, have been largely incidental. All of this also recorded live on the free iPhone 15 Pro Max the Nazi soldiers are given.
  Hamas was also ready to negotiate the total release of all hostages in exchange for a permanent end to hostilities literally as early as 9 October.
  Take a wild guess as to why South Africa for instance, no longer has an active underground resistance.
  7 October had maybe, a marginal effect on the already violent Nazi sentiments of ISISrael and it's supporters.
- Doctor RomCom diagnoses you with a classic case of
  
  Haha. Really reaching now aren't ya?
  
  Not at all
  Holsum slobber Ukraini Azov nazis ethnically cleansing Russians: They are only defending their country from the eeeevil! invasion of Putler, you tankie! Innocent civilians are dying!
  Hamas heroically fighting the Zionazi entity:

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