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Sure but does my vote in a blue county in a blue state really matter? If elections were actually chosen by who won the popular vote, maybe people wouldn't be so jaded about voting.
I don't give a single solitary fuck how jaded some motherfuckers are - People died so we could vote! Fucking DO IT.
So many goddamn toddlers out here like “weaaah why can’t everything work like magic! Waahh i don’t like the politics! I know everything about government and I pronounce it a dumb stupid thing because i dont like it!” Christ in a bucket we got nazis walking up the goddamn driveway and shitheads in here are all “ewww biden might lose, i demand offers for my partici-“ VOTE you assholes! ffs
This attitude is what is alienating gen Z from voting. You're basically saying "want freedom?? choose exactly who I say!!!". I'm sure you can see how it's bad optics. It plays well in the Lemmy echo chamber, but ffs pay attention to other people.
No one can be forced to vote for a specific person, but the options are currently democrat or dictatorship. Not voting is a vote for the dictatorship. If it weren't such a dangerous candidate then we wouldn't be pushing for this vote. Blocking your ears and saying "lalala" doesn't make things better. Ignorance won't be bliss.
You're being pretty disingenuous right now. I am telling you how this messaging is being received. The spaces I'm in on tiktok/instagram lean younger/more left than this site. The overwhelming response to this kind of rhetoric is frustration with this kind of messaging, which, has been at the forefront in several consecutive election cycles at this point. You can keep doing it, but it's just alienating people and giving off the message that there is no room for discussion amongst committed Democrats. An election is not going to be won by only appealing to moderate Democrats, and moderate Democrats are the only people who will be influenced by this kind of messaging.
The response to my comment alone proves my point. Nobody is engaging with it, everyone is just like ... well everyone should just vote for Biden because blah blah blah but not addressing the impact of this rhetoric, which I have explained, or the concerns amongst people not interested in voting for Biden.
I think the biggest thing is just that I have seen amongst most of the zoomers a kind of instantaneous reaction when presented with a glut of information. They either reject it out of hand with some thought terminating cliche almost instantly, or they will voraciously try to find more, it's kind of a split between two extremes, and there's rarely a kind of casual lust that I think has maybe been the case more in the past. I think it's partially the internet, I think it's partially the fact that society is slowly rotting and all of the formalities are also rotting away, but yeah.
So I think that this casual do-gooder vote blue no matter who kind of mentality is not really appealing to most people I interface with. They're going to have more questions than that like 50% of the time, and then 50% of the rest of the time when they're on like, tiktok, or twitter, or some other echo chamber where they understand that it is all pure optics and neoreligious brainrot and there is no genuineness to be had, they just will out of hand be like "just put the fries in the bag, bro", kind of a deal. But yeah, I don't think the casual political engagement plays well.
Nothing anyone says here is going to make a difference. Let them tuck their heads in the sand. I removed all my explainer of how the system works and doesn't work. I'm not gonna argue with zoomers who just want to make themselves look like a victim.
Did I ask?
I'm talking about how a demographic is receiving certain messaging.
I'm not a zoomer, like I said, I'm explaining my observations.
My county and state are deep red, my blue vote actually doesn't matter.
Wonder how many people like you are there in your county and state.
Not very many, clearly.
There were deep red states that swung to purple because people actually went and voted. You are one out of many saying this and therefore making it worse. If you don't cast your vote then your vote actually means nothing and you've done nothing to change it.
I never said I dont vote, just that it doesn't matter when I'm a very small minority. I'll believe my area can swing when I see it.
Do you know everyone in your area? Do you know who all is voting? I used to say the same thing and now I vote in all elections including midterm because I see all these people who keep saying that their votes don't matter and I never want to be part of that again. You are one out of hundreds saying the same thing who are part of the problem. Maybe if people actually used those few minutes to go vote then maybe that would change, but it'll never happen if you sit around being defeatist.
I've been to my county and state fairs, LOOTS of red hats. You again seem to be assuming that I just sit on my butt and do nothing when I've said nothing of the sort, there's a difference between being defeatist and acknowledging a very one sided battle.
Note how they did NOT state who to vote for though, so actually, no you are wrong
They just want to agitate for fascism. Below they admit that they don't see Trump as any exceptional threat and that the US is already fascist.
Why they think voting matters at all in a fascist state, I'm not sure, but it's probably completely logically consistent will all of their claims. /s
How do people like this exist
Maybe my claims seem logically inconsistent to you because you are deliberately misrepresenting them to be so.
Weird how you have never once responded to any of the evidence I use to support the idea that the US is already very fascist.
No comment on slavery, concentration camps... here's another one: perpetual war, militarized police, voter suppression?
What word would you use to describe a political system that has legalized slavery embedded in its constitution?
Reading comprehension reveals that this commenter wants people to vote for Biden.
Because they said not to vote for Nazis? Wow, big points for the red team over here
"Don't vote for fascists" is browbeating people, and mean, and besides Both Sides(tm), and nothing will change under a Trump administration, you're all just scare mongering.
You know, the classic, hitting every cheap dogwhistle they can.
I am in pain after reading this. Thanks PugJesus
Yes, that is their argument. Vote for Biden or else Nazi-Trump. And my comment was about how that argument is being recieved. Glad you've caught up.
Ok, so when are you going to catch up to the last 20 uears of politics?
Don't know what you're trying to do here. Saying this isn't going to change the fact that the brow-beating rhetoric is alienating young and left-leaning voters.
Maybe if those voters were more scared of societal collapse than scary words we wouldn't be in this situation.
It's a real concern, but what do we do? Not point out what's happening?
Don't lie, don't be act aloof towards people you think are on your side, and don't call people Trump sympathizers for having criticisms of Biden. There are people trying to downplay the ongoing harms going on under the Biden administration, and in general under the United States government. Be honest about strategy, and join in on demands that Democrats do better whether or not you plan to vote Biden. Maybe call for a better candidate.
edit: and downvotes for advocating honesty. I'd pretend I were surprised but that would be hypocritical and unbelievable.
You’re basically saying “want freedom?? choose exactly who I say!!!”. I’m sure you can see how it’s bad optics.
Holy fucking shit, our options are "Fascism" or "Not-fascism", sorry for finding only one of those actually acceptable?
It plays well in the Lemmy echo chamber, but ffs pay attention to other people.
It plays much worse in Lemmy than it does in real life, since in Lemmy there are always a seemingly endless number of commenters ready to throw a fit over the idea that preventing fascism is necessary.
Oh you're the guy who is pretending that fascist extremeism is a new phenomenon in the United States?
Look into the history of the Japanese Concentration camps. Or our modern-day legalized slavery system, as protected by the constitution.
No, I'm the guy who called you out for pretending that Trump is just "business as usual" and that your normalization of fascism was disgusting. You then descended into a series of non-sequiturs and tangents.
You're mad at me for saying the United States is fascist, you should be mad at the United States for being fascist.
What other word would you use to describe a country with legalized slavery and concentration camps?
This attitude is what is alienating gen Z from voting.
Hey, y’know what alienated John Lewis from voting? THE KLAN. Y’know what alienated every woman from voting before 1920? All the asshole patriarchy your shitheaded tantrums continue to support.
So why don’t you take all the millions of Gen Z voters you represent, and your GRU playbook, and shut up. This is bullshit.
I'm not even Gen Z, I'm young millennial.
But also. Uhm. I don't think that leftists were restricting voting rights. You're coming across a lil like, Q-anon, chronically online here.
But yeah, telling people to shut up is exactly why people are like. Hm. Why support the party of "shut up"?
But also. Uhm. I don't think that leftists were restricting voting rights.
What the fuck does that have to do with anything??
You're coming across a lil like, Q-anon, chronically online here.
You’re coming across like a deliberately obtuse and ill-informed twit. Enjoy the reich you so cluelessly want.
Who spells Qanon with a hyphen??
my unhinged stranger in Christ, you brought up woman's suffrage
Yes? As a movement required to bring half the population in America the vote? It was a huge effort many people sacrificed for? Yes, yes?
People have died for tons of reasons
I award you "most ambiguous comment in this thread". Congrats
Not really ambiguous. Just because someone has died for a system, doesn't mean it's worth supporting that system.
There's usually quite a lot of people on the ballot, most of them are running for sometime other than president.
It's possible your vote might not ultimately be the deciding vote and that your preferred candidates win easily. But many solidly one colored states have flipped, and the first time it happens it's always close. Why risk it? Most places have a means by which to vote which is easy and accessible - vote by mail and early voting are an option in most places, especially blue states. Generally early voting takes a matter of minutes. Your vote is your voice in politics, don't you want it to be heard?
I live in a pretty red state and typically vote very blue. I vote every single election I am able to, because local elections matter too, and when it comes to president, my voice is going to be counted, even if my state sends their electoral votes elsewhere.
If the electoral college votes against you then I'd say your voice is not being counted.
Regardless of where the electoral votes go, the breakdown of number of votes is still there and visible, and accessible for all to see in perpetuity. Whether anyone in power cares what those numbers say is another matter, but my vote, and thus my voice, IS counted.
It must be nice to be satisfied with symbolic victories. So much easier than actually winning.
What on earth are you even trying to say? You can never win if you don't vote, and you're over here implying that it's a waste of time to do so. Go back to your troll farm.
I'm implying that being satisfied that your vote is recorded while you continually lose is not a real victory.
I never said it was? Or that I was merely satisfied with that? Voting is the very least a person can do as a citizen, and discouraging people from doing it for ANY reason is asinine.
I am a firm believer that if you lower people's expectations of what voting does they'll be more willing to do it. Tell folks it's gonna change the world and they'll give up when they find it doesn't. It's the only thing that kept me voting after 2004.
So maybe your way is right: Just vote so a number nobody cares about exists somewhere.