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Isreals crimes against the palestinians needs to be stopped. No question. And yet 'from the river to the see' calls for the total destruction of isreal as a state, with all of its civillians, which isn't exactly better. Hamas commited similar atrocities against the israeli on oct 7. But an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Sure rape is bad or whatever I guess, but both sides.
It is a two sides issue though. Both sides are doing this.
And it should stop on both. Why the fuck are we even mentioning "both sides" as if it fucking justifies anything?
I am not trying to justify anything. I am just tired of the way people talk about this like it's two celebrities having a Twitter spat
Be ashamed
Both sides are sticking electric spikes up each other's asses? Please come back to reality, every released hostage of Hamas has said they were treated well and every hostage Israel has released has said they were brutalized.
Got any source to back those claims?
Yep! The article you're commenting under, for example. Do you have any sources claiming the opposite?
It says nothing about how those hostages are being treated. I am not those reddit assholes. But I am not going to pretend either side is the good guy here.
There are no sides, it's a superpower state vs people. You ALWAYS side with the people. The state doesn't need your help, they have everything already.
And people live in Isreal. I am a bit more sympathetic ti Palestine but I am not going to kid myself over hamas
The people of Israel have an Iron Curtain™️. The people of Israel choose to be there knowing they are colonizing the land and home of Palestinians. I'm Jewish and have a 'birthright' to do the same, but it's unconscionable. I understand the plight of the Jewish people, I understand a free home and universal healthcare and education could be tempting. But it's unconscionable. There is no defending it. There's nothing you or anyone could say to excuse it. Anyone capable of doing the above to a fellow human being must be at best in need of deep reflection.
Destruction of the state does not equal destruction of humans. The entire statement is, "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free." You have to seriously work on that to turn it into a genocidal intent. And then it begs the question, why would their freedom require such a drastic act? Which is why Israel doesn't like to talk about the second part.
And yet ‘from the river to the see’ calls for the total destruction of isreal
If that's true, why are Israeli soldiers chanting it?
Because when they say it, the mean Isreal from the river to the sea. It's the reverse (and not any better).
It’s the reverse (and not any better).
When you think about it, settler colonialists and native people are just two sides of the same coin.
from the river to the sea / Palestine will be free
and
Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty
Carry the exact same connotations and historical weight.
Israel is an invader and occupier of Palestinian land. Israel's existence is a crime against humanity.
It doesn't call for the destruction of people. It just doesn't.
calls for the total destruction of isreal as a state
And? Where's the problem, exactly?
Another reasonable, non-genocidal and well adjusted individual! Great!
So, again... where’s the problem?
Is there a reason you want to preserve a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state?