What is the best model of used ThinkPad to purchase?
What is the best model of used ThinkPad to purchase?
I’m thinking of picking up a used ThinkPad on eBay for cheap to serve as my daily driver. I’ll likely run LMDE, and primarily use it for web browsing, office programs, coding, and FreeCAD. Any recommendations on which model would best hit the sweet spot of capability vs price?
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T-580 & T-590 are garbage builds, flimsy AF both running tuned back 8th gen Core i7.
I still have an x220 that's in good shape, and both my T15(g1 & 2) are solid builds. T15g1 has a larger battery and a brighter screen than the g2.
I have a T580 and a T15g2 and the T580 is 100% a more rugged build--not even close.
The T15 is way lighter, so maybe that feels like stiffness?
G1s do not just "have brighter screens" than Gen 2. Those are spec-able options.
G1 had three screens, 250nit, 300nit, 500nit (4k only)
G2 had three screens, 300nit, 300nit, 600nit (4k only)
Both have the same 57wh battery. Not sure what you're talking about there.
Bro I have these machines in my possession and you're wrong.
You should contact Lenovo and let them know their spec sheets are wrong. Because they say exactly what I just said.
Not my problem if you have aftermarket modifications to them.
I'll get right on that. Thanks.
Might depend on who Lenovo used for the displays. Either the specs are different than listed or it was modded.
My own example is HP, I have 2 identical laptops (same model and seller). One has a 100% sRGB panel and the other has a 60% sRGB panel.
The 100% sRGB panel is LG and the 60% sRGB panel is Innolux.
Also maybe battery capacity over time? Istg batteries have way more degradation now than before.
Edited for clarity.
Edit 2: while some HP laptops might have had different color accuracy display options for the same model, this one is just straight 768p or 1080p and nothing else. The site says 45% NTSC but my own experience shows they had some good panels and it was just luck of the draw. Fwiw the PC is a HP pavilion x360 15-br095ms. It had an i5-7200u, Radeon 530 2GB DDR3, 8 gb of ddr4 and a 128 gb m.2 sata ssd. It's been motherboard swapped with an 8th gen i7 version, same gpu on the new board and has 24 gb of ram. I'm using a cs900 240 gb 2.5 in ssd for now. I plan on getting a better nvme drive for it eventually but I have none on hand that i could use.
Could be. I do have some significant Thinkpad experience (going back to the IBM days) and I do know that they will not alter the model number regardless of what's in the machine, but you can pull a build sheet from their website with the serial number. Do you know if your HPs could have had this happen? Was your distributor HP or elsewhere? (Not hating, just curious!)
Capacity loss over time is a decent idea. The 2nd Gen machine has an 11th Gen chip, vs 10th Gen in the Gen 1, and quiet possibly is able to burn more power quicker as well. Thinkpad power consumption is also definable in the BIOS or Vantage software for many of them, so those settings all could vary.
Normally I'd be happy to help troubleshoot this sort of thing but frankly I'm not sure OP was looking to chat.
The seller was some dude on Amazon, but both machines were new in box and were purchased in 2018 and 2019. The model is 15-br095ms for what it's worth. It's a Microsoft signature edition laptop so "less" bloat than other machines. Basically it didn't have McAfee or norton.
At least for that line of HP machines, you had a 768p panel and a 1080p panel. Both are 1080p.
Also the 11th gen i5 is weird. Idk if mine was a dud or they all ran like this but mine was super power hungry. 33wh capacity and I got like 3 hours of battery life. When the battery was new (40wh) it was like 4-5 hours if I babied it. When I swapped in a new Ryzen motherboard, it ran cooler and more efficiently. I get 4 hours of battery life if I do normal stuff and it can run fanless. And yes I've repasted it when it had an i5.
For context, that old pavilion 15br laptop I was talking about had a motherboard replacement and I put a 15-br158cl motherboard in it so an 8th gen i7 and a Radeon 530. Not a particularly efficient gpu and an old cpu. It gets the same battery life. It's got 2 drives, an older battery and it still beats the newer one. I could get that old i7 to sip power. I can't get the new one to do that.
Exactly. These three T580s were all NIB and have no modifications other than 2nd drive. Side by each with the same pics you can see the difference between all of them. One is really really nice, one is heavy orange, the other weighted blue.
My sister has a T580 with the 7th gen i5-7200u. Full tilt it runs at 60C after a repaste. My own pavilion x360 with the same i5 runs close to 90C. Let's not talk about the 8th gen i7 version of said x360.
The 8th gen i5 and i7 CPUs just run really hot.
As for build quality, it's fine. It's no r500, but it's built pretty well. Her laptop has been dropped a few times and the only issue it has is a fucked USB c power port (my only gripe is hard to replace USB ports).
After having a W, T, and X versions of the 520/220 line the T580 just isn't up to snuff. The keyboard flexes, the track pad dies/gets stuck blah blah blah. I agree on the hot, and it's a crippled chip to boot. I get the same amount of time on the 580 (i7 1.8) with the extended pack as I do the T15g2 (i5 2.4), same OS. And the keyboard doesn't flex. That's what pisses me off about the 5 series. It's a premium product for premium prices, even my ancient EEE doesn't flex and it was paltry $300 at the time.
Sorry rant over.
The keyboard doesn't really flex on my sister's laptop but good God it's awful to type on. It's weirdly mushy. Idk if her laptop is defective or if it's something else. The keyboard is clean but compared to both of my pavilion laptops, it feels like my old dell multimedia keyboard in terms of mush. And yeah they trackpad is awful. My friend had a w530 and it was about the same honestly. But that was a then 6 year old laptop.
Fwiw the 11th gen i5 is actually garbage. Cpu is strong and the igpu has no business being as good as it is, but it is not power efficient at all at lower tdp. I cannot for the life of me get my old 11th gen i5 laptop to run any lower than like 1.8 GHz or something ridiculous. Just babying a laptop that's less than a year old gets me maybe 3 hrs of battery life. It's had really bad degradation, with 80% capacity left on a 40 wh battery but swapping in a Ryzen motherboard got me another hour of battery life. Also weird ass stutters, holy shit it's bad. If I typed too fast, my computer would lock up entirely. It's just a thing that it did.
This is me on monkeytype when it locked up one day.