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This but for real
This is what finally growing up feels like and it's shit
sell all your shit, get an older van with good mechanics (easier to fix)
convert it into a portable house
quit your job, go on an adventure...NB : you require some savings before you do this, otherwise you just become homeless.
Remember kids, time is money, but money is also time.
Source : Took a year long sabbatical and moved continents and started a family. Please help me, the DGI is on my ass.
Disseminated gonococcal infection is on your ass?
savings is good, but most people longing for such a change aren't in a good position to save up... and you can always make money somewhere else you go to (often, not always)
if you can't, just hobo somewhere you can...Sure, just giving advice to people who want to do this with a kind of safety net. Doing it "your way" is more risky, but doing it as opposed to not doing it can still be possible, if you're a bit more prudent.
DGI is the acronym for the tax institution in the country I'm in.
you can make money while living in a van...
one of the subs i mentioned is "digital nomads", which is entirely employed people... living nomadically while working online... aka remote...
in r/vagabonds there's a lot of more traditional traveler type work... seasonal stuff...or you could tend bar or something
remember kids, money is a figment, time is counting down and you will die someday...
you won't regret having adventures... but you will regret being comfortable
You gonna reply to this?
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I was just wondering if they were gonna address your point.
i see no point in replying to you at this point...
I didn't ask you to reply to me.
i see no point in doing anything you ask me to... which could also be seen as me replying to you
Yeah, no. Plus, you already did. ;)
sometimes i do things that are pointless
Joke?
nope... i know reddit is trash and all... but good info on the subs vandwellers, vagabonds, and digitalnomads...
adventure is always an option...
(and risky and scary...)
there's also adventurous sports, like freediving, camping:hiking... shit like that...
i think skydiving is dumb but a lot of people consider that adventurous...you could also do protests, volunteer firefighter, become a paramedic...
i have just given you a call to adventure: but will you answer?
Yeah, definitely trolling
I refuse to believe anyone is stupid enough to see this as a realistic option
enjoy sitting in your apartment, doing the exact same thing
every day,
every week,
for the rest of your life...
never changing anything...
take no risks....
a handshake, with carbon monoxide
no alarms and no surprises
p.s. people living lives that are difficult for you to understand are not "stupid"...
you, however, are "ignorant"How dare you reference one of my favourite Radiohead songs in an attempt to mischaracterise me. I do indeed make changes and take risks. My current life choices are all calculated risks. It's just rather out of touch to think everyone is able to sell everything they own on some extreme gamble.
You have to already own a lot of things in the first place to make much doing that.
You need to already be able to drive to even make use of a van.
Also, don't misquote me. I don't call people with different lives stupid. I call people stupid if they believe stupid things, such as "anyone can easily become a van lifer and would enjoy doing so".
You. Are. Out. Of. Touch.
you wanted a call to adventure, i gave you one...
read those lyrics again... it's a great song
"I refuse to believe anyone is stupid enough to see this as a realistic option"
yes, you called me stupid... you're stupid if you think i'm trying to tell you every step of the way... like "get a driver license"
you could get a fucking boat, the whole point is choosing your own adventure...
i'm trying to remind you that you are not stuck, you are not too old to have opportunity for adventures... you are comfortable and you are afraid of change.
it quite common, really... but we're not stupid
you wanted a call to adventure
What makes you say that?
i gave you one…
No, you gave me an out of touch fantasy.
read those lyrics again… it’s a great song
I don't need to. I've known that song over a decade. It speaks to the ills of living under capitalism.
yes, you called me stupid
Well done.
you’re stupid if you think i’m trying to tell you every step of the way
I didn't say such a thing.
like “get a driver license”
You ignored mentioning that because you know it's becoming increasingly out of reach.
you could get a fucking boat
You think I can afford one? Or a boating license? Or the lessons? You're just assuming I already have this money, or the means to get it. That's why you're out of touch.
the whole point is choosing your own adventure
I already am, you idiot, that's what I told you.
i’m trying to remind you that you are not stuck
I didn't say I was "stuck".
you are not too old to have opportunity for adventures
I didn't say this, either. I didn't say anything about adventure at all.
you are comfortable and you are afraid of change
I am uncomfortable and I want change. You are, in fact, stating the opposite of the truth.
it quite common, really… but we’re not stupid
You're only stupid if you continue believing this is as simple as you say, from your position of privilege.
you wanted a call to adventure what makes you say that?
"This but for real This is what finally growing up feels like and it's shit"
dude, just try to follow along a little with the conversation before getting all defensive.
You think I can afford one? Or a boating license? Or the lessons? You're just assuming I already have this money, or the means to get it. That's why you're out of touch.
you're so entrenched in capitalism you think that everything requires a purchase and privilege... but here's a documentary, from the Anarchist Yacht Club on how to get a free yacht (it still requires work)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lwbHYOFD-4still think i'm out of touch?
I already am, you idiot, that's what I told you
this whole conversation began with you saying growing up means no call to adventure... then you called me stupid, then said you didn't call me stupid, then called me an "idiot"
which, btw, is ableist language... people with low intelligence are still qualified to have lives and opinions and conversations...your complete lack of consistency and character attacks make this "conversation" rather obtuse.
You're only stupid if you continue believing this is as simple as you say, from your position of privilege.
now you're calling me stupid again... but, my dearest friend, i never said it's simple...
it is not simple... but it IS possible...
also, i've done it and have been living a "vagabond" lifestyle most of my privileged life...
i do suppose my intellectual upbringing and natural abilities is a privilege, in that i can confidently hitchhike and enter a city with $0 and a backpack and have a good adventure... my ability to improvise is a privilege...
i didn't start out with any money if that's what you think...
the things that you own, own you...
i can drop everything and go anywhere i want...my brother will be dying in the next year from cancer... he never traveled very much... he always wanted to get an RV, work remotely, and travel the country...
for years he was mostly teaching online and could've definitely done it...
now he will be (likely) staying in the same town, getting radiation and chemotherapy until he dies... (prognosis 1 year, <10% make it to 5 years)i'm giving you advice to take chances, change it up, live the adventure that you want... if the steps to that are unclear, then just take steps somewhere and you'll eventually find the path you're looking for...
"This is what finally growing up feels like and it's shit"
i was moved by this. I do not want you to feel like shit... i want you to do something and change that...
"I am uncomfortable and I want change. You are, in fact, stating the opposite of the truth"
you can pretend like you don't know what i mean, but i can tell we're both too smart for that.... but, more accurate than "comfortable" would be complacent.
the mystery of life isn’t a problem to solve, but a reality to experience.... A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it.
i grew up poor... like no money for school lunches, second hand clothes, swimming in pollution (i'll probably get cancer too)...
i left home with a shitty old school backpack with a shitty coleman sleeping bag tied to it with a rope...my privilege was the freedom of having nothing to left lose...
“This but for real This is what finally growing up feels like and it’s shit”
dude, just try to follow along a little with the conversation before getting all defensive.
You can't just quote me then say nothing about the actual quote, then pretend you've made a point.
Yeah - growing up means learning you're not special. Not a protagonist. I didn't say I was looking for a "call to adventure".
you’re so entrenched in capitalism you think that everything requires a purchase and privilege… but here’s a documentary, from the Anarchist Yacht Club on how to get a free yacht (it still requires work)
We're all fucking entrenched in capitalism, dude. I myself am an anarcho-communist, but that doesn't mean I am suddenly living in an anarcho-communist world. I know there are some Mutual Aid networks out there, but you're kinda missing my point.
still think i’m out of touch?
Yes!!
this whole conversation began with you saying growing up means no call to adventure…
No, actually, it didn't. It began with me relating to growing up and realising I'm not a protagonist, and that the world doesn't actually value me as much as it pretended to when I was a child.
You assumed I was referring to the adventure part, and I admit that I didn't actually specify in my original post which part I meant, but nor did you actually ask.
then you called me stupid, then said you didn’t call me stupid,
When did I deny that? I didn't. I denied the reasoning you projected :)
then called me an “idiot”
Yes I did.
which, btw, is ableist language…
Yes, it is.
people with low intelligence are still qualified to have lives and opinions and conversations…
Of course, and I'll never deny you that right.
your complete lack of consistency and character attacks make this “conversation” rather obtuse.
How am I being inconsistent?
now you’re calling me stupid again… but, my dearest friend, i never said it’s simple…
Your flippant remarks speak to your condescension. You wouldn't be condescending about encouraging someone to do something you considered difficult.
it is not simple… but it IS possible…
Never said it wasn't.
also, i’ve done it and have been living a “vagabond” lifestyle most of my privileged life…
Never denied that.
But billionaires say the same thing.
i do suppose my intellectual upbringing and natural abilities is a privilege, in that i can confidently hitchhike and enter a city with $0 and a backpack and have a good adventure… my ability to improvise is a privilege…
Good of you to admit that.
i didn’t start out with any money if that’s what you think…
They all say that.
the things that you own, own you…
Think for yourself, Tyler.
i can drop everything and go anywhere i want…
Because you're an alienated ultra-liberal hustle-bro with no ties and no connection to society, by the sounds of it.
my brother will be dying in the next year from cancer… he never traveled very much… he always wanted to get an RV, work remotely, and travel the country… for years he was mostly teaching online and could’ve definitely done it… now he will be (likely) staying in the same town, getting radiation and chemotherapy until he dies… (prognosis 1 year, <10% make it to 5 years)
Okay, that's terrible, but why do you tell me this?
i’m giving you advice to take chances, change it up, live the adventure that you want… if the steps to that are unclear, then just take steps somewhere and you’ll eventually find the path you’re looking for…
Dude. I'm literally already doing that. I already told you. I'm already currently taking huge gambles that are taking tolls on my mental health due to the stress they cause. I am no stranger to change and risk. Your "advice" is already a fact of my life it is so obvious. You're telling me nothing I haven't heard a million times already or rolled my eyes at a million more.
Yes, it makes sense to seek change and takes risks. And, while we're stating things of this caliber, let's also note that gravity brings things down to the Earth and that grass, when left alone and in receipt of sunlight, water and air, will grow.
i was moved by this. I do not want you to feel like shit… i want you to do something and change that…
Already am, my friend.
you can pretend like you don’t know what i mean, but i can tell we’re both too smart for that… but, more accurate than “comfortable” would be complacent.
With what situation am I complacent? You do not even know the slightest whiff of my situation. I say this not to catastrophise or to sound in dire straits, because it's not quite that, but simply to point out that you, as a literal fact, do not know my name, country of residence, social class or any other facts of my life. You can't say I'm complacent with my lot if you don't even know what my lot is, or what I do with my life.
As a point of fact, I am currently both studying a CS degree and taking part in a game developers' and broader creatives' co-operative. I took both of these things on to broaden my horizons and get out of my comfort zone, and to push myself to improve, learning new skills, meeting new people, and broadening my perspective of the world through meeting other radically minded people, mainly anarchists, communists and so on. Meeting these people was, by your standards, my call to adventure.
You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm not a wallower. When I get bored, I make things, and I make things work.
i grew up poor… like no money for school lunches, second hand clothes, swimming in pollution (i’ll probably get cancer too)… i left home with a shitty old school backpack with a shitty coleman sleeping bag tied to it with a rope…
Ok.
my privilege was the freedom of having nothing to left lose…
Ok, ultra-liberal hustle-bro.