Ukraine notified the Council of Europe of the partial suspension of some clauses of the European Convention on Human Rights and Freedoms in connection to recent changes in its martial law.
Ukraine notified the Council of Europe of the partial suspension of some clauses of the European Convention on Human Rights and Freedoms in connection to recent changes in its martial law.
Kyiv notified the Council of Europe of changes to its martial law, in effect since February 2022. #EuropeNews
The western values Ukraine is defending are becoming more apparent by the day.
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Is this instance just tankies?
Given that the word "tankie" has been so overused that it just means "anyone to the left of John McCain", most places are.
I saw a person lower in the thread talking about Stalin's USSR being a democracy, while another said that Russia and China can't be imperialist. Doesn't seem like a case of overuse to me.
I saw the tankies in the closet, and they were making authoritarianism, and I saw one of the authoritarianism, and the authoritarianism looked at me.
So, like, it's completely meaningful to have a snarl word that refers to everyone left of the neo-cons.
"Everyone is getting called a Nazi these days, the word has lost all meaning".
Sure...
the enlightened centrist has logged on
Tankies don't exist, don't you know? There's no second half between which an enlightened centrist can position themselves. I am the furthest left there is, and you are a liberal.
The only thing that exists is children running around calling people tankies when they're unable to engage in actual discussion. The fact that you call me a liberal highlights just how utterly lost you are. Define what you think a liberal is child.
Define deez nuts, lib
thanks for confirming that you just do name calling without actually having a clue what words mean, you're like a chat bot 😂
Beep! Boop!
Do you think the representational democracy throughout the west is real democracy or just a case of "vote for us every 4 years you pleb then STFU while we collect this lovely lobbyist money, filling our pockets and fail to deliver any campaign promises we ran on"
And you think tankies are fucking idiots?!
Was USSR a democracy under Stalin? Are Russia and China imperialist?
Was USSR a democracy under Stalin?
Yes
Are Russia and China imperialist?
No
Thanks!
Youre welcome. The CIA agrees on the first point. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf
Even in Stalin's time there was collective leadership
Collective leadership is rule of the Politbureau - a group of ~10 party officials, of the Council of Ministers - a group of 7 bureaucrats, and of the Central Committee - a group of several dozen party officials, picked by the leadership from the GenSec's loyalists. Stalin held presiding positions in all three.
Party oligarchy is different from a one-man dictatorship, and CIA agrees on that.
I don't know how that helps your point though.
Okay mister Bolshevik. What you write is contrary to everything that I've read about soviet governance, but I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.
The collective west is currently taking part in an active genocide, out in the open for all to see. But gommunism bad holodomor vuvuzela no iPhone. We can't upset the genocidal ruling class now, can we?
Okay mister Bolshevik. What you write is contrary to everything that I’ve read about soviet governance, but I guess I’ll just have to take your word for it.
I am neither a mister nor a Bolshevik. If you don't know the meaning of "collective leadership", then it's on you.
The collective west is currently taking part in an active genocide, out in the open for all to see. But gommunism bad holodomor vuvuzela no iPhone. We can’t upset the genocidal ruling class now, can we?
Are you having a stroke?
Regarding what CIA means by "collective leadership":
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-01446R000100020012-2.pdf
It is entirely possible that the Soviet leaders are about to develop a new form of "dictatorship by committee", giving them the advantage of appearing to be quasi-democratic.
When we speak of collective leadership, we mean a committee of a very few men, probably not more than five or six. The larger the membership, the greater the likelihood that fractionalization may occur, dividing the committee into antagonistic groups.
In the despotic East, the people are forced to have free housing and highly subsidised food despite having sanctioned war torn peasant economies, in the democratic West, they choose to starve on the streets despite having more wealth than any other countries in history.
It's really quite a conundrum.
There are multiple ways to interpret this. I have no interest in guessing.
State your point.
It's sarcasm about how you think the USSR was not democratic despite it being able to feed, clothe and house all of its citizens even under immense economic pressure. Things which the so called democracies of today, despite being orders of magnitudes wealthier still choose to not do.
So democracy to you is when a state does SocDem welfare policies?
I would understand if, as a purported socialist, you wanted to tie democracy to communism, as bourgeois democracy democratizes only the superstrucure, and even that one just partially. But that tie-in would clearly be hard to accept if you wanted to argue for USSR being democratic, as it was far from a stateless classless moneyless society.
Still - why social democracy? Why welfare? It's kinda of a weird choice, unless you tie the idea of democracy to the liberal-fascist "will of the people" concept. But that would imply very bad things about your views, friend.
So democracy to you is when a state does SocDem welfare policies?
A state only does welfare policies when it is compelled to by democratic forces. After WW2, western masses were both militarised, and the threat of the USSR loomed large. This new power balance favoring the labor movement was the only reason they won their welfare states. As soon as the power balance shifted, western governments started dismantling the welfare states. In other words, welfare policies, and the distribution of income are an effective gauge of the level of democratic power in a country.
The USSR, unlike the SocDems went well beyond mere welfare. Rents were capped to 5% of your income, and most people didn't even pay that, as home ownership rates were well over 90%. Food was subsidized to such a degree that in many socialist countries, it severely distorted the economy (and was likely a contributing factor to their downfalls ironically). Transportation and many forms of entertainment were virtually free (soviet citizens had access to community spas, theaters, an opera house in basically every city, iirc). Income differentials in the socialist states were orders of magnitudes lower than in SocDem states.
Now obviously, these policies aren't "proof" of democracy, but are certainly a strong indicator. And my statements were never meant to prove anything really, as it was a joke.
But that tie-in would clearly be hard to accept if you wanted to argue for USSR being democratic, as it was far from a stateless classless moneyless society.
Ah, the timeless technique of using a different definition of a word that a community clearly does not use, purely to generate confusion.
unless you tie the idea of democracy to the liberal-fascist “will of the people” concept. But that would imply very bad things about your views, friend.
I don't remember making any references to "the will of the people", but even if I did, thinking that would make me a "liberal-fascist" (what I think you are implying) because of that borders on asinine.
A state only does welfare policies when it is compelled to by democratic forces.
Correction: by the need to disarm and pacify the proletariat, when class rule becomes too threatened. German Empire is a good example. Nobody would dare to call Bismarck's rule "democratic"
And you're still describing welfare. Most SocDems I know support things like this or similar ones, and food subsidies are done by many liberal governments, irrelevant of the democratic status.
using a different definition of a word that a community clearly does not use
I agree, MLs have long abandoned what communism was supposed to mean.
don’t remember making any references to “the will of the people”
I mean, your schpiel about welfare implying democracy is kinda it. You still haven't made neither communist ties to mode of production, nor more liberal ties to the electoral structure. You're only pushing the welfare angle.
Monarchs wanting to keep the populace docile, like in modern Saudi Arabia or in the German Empire would often implement welfare, and it would be ridiculous to call that in any way a democracy. However fascists often define "democracy" as the ruler following the will of the people, which is shown through fulfilling certain needs of the population, like food, healthcare, housing. Your "welfare implies democracy" take runs parallel to that idea, and can be argued to be a slight repackaging of the reactionary concept.
would make me a “liberal-fascist”
That is not how it works. It is possible to believe fascist things while being a liberal and to believe liberal and fascist things while being a socialist. The point is not that you are that shitty thing, but that you should change your position from the wrong one to the right one.
Always has been
Worse, it's sometimes tankies, which means ditching it outright doesn't feel justified enough
whatever you say dronie
jokes on you I'm into that 😜
yeah we know you're a fascist
we
You're alone in the room calling people NPCs online. Get a life you silly lib.
Uses both "tankie" and "lib" as an insult. Isn't a fascist. Something's not adding up.
I am very mysterious, true
pretty sure lots of people downvted you in this thread loser, also learn what liberalism is so you don't make a clown of yourself in the future
No pwease don't caww me wibewal!!! You don't know what it meanf!!! Get a downdoot you meanie!!!
Please explain me how you're not a lib, you will get even more upvotes for this for sure.
nah I just asked you to define what a liberal is and you can't because you're just a sad troll
Shame, I really liked trolling your ass.
Time for arguments was around a day ago, but you was too overflowing with sass to engage. Davel was more coherent, so I wrestled with him until he realized he can't really prove there was a genocide and left.
Bye, you silly liberal. I still have to discover if there's any difference between positions of you lot and of an average TV-addled Russian boomer. The lack of class analysis in explaining Russia's behavior is your bane, together with tankie brainrot.