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It matters a whole lot actually because this a proxy war between NATO and Russia. NATO is just as responsible for what's happening, and in fact we now know that it was the west that intervened to stop negotiations in Istanbul that could've stopped the war back in 2022. Bleating about Russian propaganda isn't going to change the facts of the situation.
What I recite is what mainstream western media openly says now, and if you claim that's Russian propaganda then you're exposing yourself as a troll.
Russia invaded Ukraine. NATO didn't.
This is an infantile understanding of the situation. NATO expansion was the cause of the invasion as even Stoltenberg has now admitted publicly.
Why did the countries choose to join NATO? Maybe it was because Russia is a threat. A fact that was later proved by the invasion of Ukraine which actually made more countries join NATO.
Why did the countries choose to join NATO?
Maybe it was because Russia is a threat. A fact that was later proved by the invasion of Ukraine which actually made more countries join NATO.If we are making hypothesis, USA bullying smaller countries into joining its own gang is much more probable. After all, it is not disputed that USA has been bullying everyone into forcing sanctions against Russia and only big countries like India and Germany have been able take a stand against American bullying.
My country joined because of Russia and their invasion of Ukraine not because of the USA.
Whatever makes you feel better. I am done here. I'll leave some reading material for you though.
If you haven't read actual Russian propaganda so far, I'd highly recommend reading the entire Big Serge's Substack for a rather informed take from perspective of a Russian in USA.
Enjoy these long reads with good tea.
I suggest you grow up.
Ok. Mama.
Because US has a massive propaganda machine and literally overthrows governments that aren't compliant. Entire books have been written on this subject, and yet here you are spewing ignorant drivel smugly.
Russia invaded Ukraine. The USA didn't. They have also done terrible things but we are discussing the invasion of Ukraine now.
Just because the USA has overthrown governments doesn't give Russia any right to invade Ukraine many years later.
here you are spewing ignorant drivel smugly.
Ditto. A country which is so afraid of freedoms and rights can't be trusted. Any reasonable country allows journalists to live.
USA literally published a paper on how they want to goad Russia into a war in Ukraine with the goal of extending Russia https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html
USA ran a coup in Ukraine that overthrew a democratically elected government to put a far right regime in place that then committed atrocities against people of Donbas since 2014. I lovew how you ignore all that since it doesn't fit your infantile narrative.
Ditto. A country which is so afraid of freedoms and rights can’t be trusted. Any reasonable country allows journalists to live.
I never said I trust the US regime or their media.
How can't you understand that Russia literally invaded and started a war. That is objectively way worse than what anyone else did.
I love how all you idiots on lemmygrad, hexbear and .ml constantly show how stupid you all are.
I never said I trust the US regime or their media.
I was obviously referring to Russia which has some of the worst press freedoms in the world. I obviously know you don't trust the USA media (unless they report something that helps your pro russian propaganda of course).
You only trust the Russian government blindly.
If you can't understand that the war started in 2014, long before Russia intervened, then what else is there to say to you.
I love how all you idiots on lemmygrad, hexbear and .ml constantly show how stupid you all are.
That's right, anybody who has actual historical perspective on why the war started is an idiot. History for enlightened libs starts in 2022.
I was obviously referring to Russia which has some of the worst press freedoms in the world.
The fact that you couldn't figure out that I was mocking you tells us who the actual idiot in this discussion is.
You only trust the Russian government blindly.
That's right, I trust Russian propaganda as reported by mainstream western media.
Russia intervened in 2014 by for example occupying Crimea.
Oh jeez you're right, I wonder what that was in response to.
30% population of pre-SMO Ukraine was Russian. And a dicriminated minority. Who invaded whom is a matter of how well versed you are with one side of propaganda and how ignorant of the other.
Please provide evidence to the contrary then.
It's extremely easy to find tons of images of russian troops invading Ukraine.
I have yet to find any images of Ukraine invading Russia.
Russian side of propaganda is not too difficult to find, even in the English world. Why don't you do a google search by yourself and list 10 results of what you found ?
Why would I go out of my way to prove your point? Why would I ever look for Russian propaganda?
Your argument is yours to prove not mine.
You haven't substantiated your own assertion about NATO not invading Russia. It is your point at stake. I simply pointed you to an undeniable fact that torpedos your assertion, and pointed you to relevant literature, which you are refusing to look into.
Your point stands logically punctured. Feel free to flee.
Lol. You can't just say without sources that NATO invaded Russia and then get mad when I deny it. That's like the people that claim that the earth is flat say that everyone else has to prove otherwise.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and you have none.