12mo ago

Stay toxic, comrades

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Echo chamber? Maybe. Toxic? No, not at all. It's actually very freeing to be able to discuss ML stuff more deeply instead of having the umpteenth lib/ultra/trot coming in trying to debate TANKIE MAN SQUARE ONE BILLION DEATH.
This community has been nothing but supporting to me.
- Lemmygrad is hands down one of the most polite and inclusive online communities I've ever seen. I simply can't recall any instance where I disagreed with somebody here and we couldn't resolve it using a constructive and polite discussion. This is frankly unheard of on most social media platforms and vast majority of Lemmy instances.
- It's actually kind of too calm for me here since most lib instances defederated from us. Having them chime in also allowed me to keep up with what they believe in currently.
  
  Honestly that's why I war-drive. No more than twice a month, otherwise it runs the risk of making me spiral; but forewarned is fore-armed. Besides, I anticipate a new idiot wave now that Reddit's talking about their IPO again in tandem with selling poster data to Google.
  
  I should do that too. Yogthos is also a legend.
  Unfortunately, I don't know lemmy all that well outside of the 'grad. What are some good instances to go on for that sweet, sweet lib cringe?
  
  Honestly, browsing /all is sometimes enough; but as of late, you'd have to skim the trending front-ends of the lib hellholes and nazi bars that already defedded us.
  
  The one that abbreviates to “SJW” and whoever they federate with if you want to make sure you get all the fascists
  
  They even had the audacity to make mods be initially eligible for their IPO
  
  Oh that's why I saw a headline to the tune of "redditors don't want to invest in reddit"
  
  FAQ said the requirements were 200k+ karma or 5000 mod actions to directly receive the group 1 invite from u/reddit (which means you've been around long enough to see the enshittification, are a mod, or are a repost bot)
  
  hm, true, we havent had an idiot wave in a while. However I find that comments have improved since we got mass defederated, weve got less libs to bully and more people to discuss with in a much more mild and cordial tone, I much prefer it that way. The pleasure of dunking on libs is temporary, the pleasure of theory and reflexion is forever.
  
  You're not becoming one of those who enjoys huge walls of text, are you?
  
  im afraid i am slowly becoming a huge nerd, yes
  
  Me too. It comes on fast once it starts.
  
  I bet Marx would have loved huge walls of text. I read him as a lemmy man, while Engels would have been out manning twitter.
  
  I chose grad for my account not only because it's by far the best instance, but also because I have to spend less effort muting shit communities, because they did the labour themselves by de-feding. Very cozy in here. :3
  
  Shhh don't tell them we enjoy them not bothering us more than they like not seeing us once every so often, they might stop doing it
  
  See, that's why I'm still on lemmy.ml
  I crave conflict. 🤤
  
  I feel like libs get banned the moment I feel I might be able to get through to them.
  
  I disagree, wheb I see them I usually want to see them justify more, because I find it more satisfying for them to dig a hole they cant recover from, but usually what I see happen in the longer threads is they will get close to?the break through then lash put instead
  
  Changing someone is a process. Engage with them and don't lose heart when they turtle down. You've planted the seed of doubt. Often enough it takes hold and grows years later.
  This is something these people deeply understand and is exactly why we are so hounded, banned, quarantined, defederated, silenced, strawmanned, ridiculed and described as evil. They want as few people as possible to even come into contact with us, so we don't teach them that there's an alternative to the shitty capitalist system they've set up.
  
  I agree, that is not my argument, I just disagree that at the point that they are banned we are near a break through.
  
  I wish I still thought it was possible to argue people into agreeing with you. 😔
- It's not even really a toxic atmosphere for liberals who happen to stray in here. Sure, they'll get dogpiled if they start acting rude, or are clearly arguing in bad faith -- and they quickly find that if you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out. But generally, the community goes out of its way to explain things even to people who disagree.
  
  I'd like us to stay that way too. Almost all of us grew up with anti-communist indoctrination, and sometimes it just takes a few polite conversations to turn that around, and start them on the path.
- Yeah aside from the biweekly struggle session it's (one of) the chillest online community I ever witnessed. Especially since we federated with the hexagons.
  
  That's a feature, not a bug
- A place where ideologically-aligned people can discuss their ideology? Oh no, the horror!
  It's funny how liberals are so obsessed with things like "unity despite differences", "marketplace of ideas" and "acceptance", then turn around and label anyone they don't agree with as an "extremist" reinforcing their "hatred of others" through their "echo chambers".

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