Israel's military tells UN in Gaza: ask Hamas for fuel
Israel's military tells UN in Gaza: ask Hamas for fuel
Israel's military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.
Israel's military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.
The agency, known as UNRWA, posted its warning on social media on Tuesday. The Israel Defense Forces reposted it and said that Hamas militants have more than 500,000 litres of fuel in tanks inside besieged Gaza.
"Ask Hamas if you can have some," the IDF wrote.
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What absolute pieces of shit.
Hamas? yeah
can't get lower than shooting rockets from next to hospitals, schools, etc, forbidding people to leave because you know you'd be exposed without them as shields and still pinning every casualty for your behaviour on the country that you just slaughtered hundreds of people of without any reason other than to provoke
Nice try, but there's assholes on both sides and i actually think Israel is worse simply because so many are willing to turn a blind eye for some reason.
I'm not disproving or I agreeing to assholes on both sides theory.
But the reasoning that one side is worse because someone turns blind eye to them is dangerous. Humanity should always consider actions and not judge party in the opposite of someone else opinion.
The reason is that they're being threatened with actual, literal, genocide.
Isreal is literally committing genocide on a larger scale than Hamas could ever dream of.
Your argument is that Isreal is morally permitted to inflict actual genocide in response to a perceived threat of genocide?
You're either oblivious to reality or living in denial, and most certainly engaging in emotional reasoning; not logic.
Isreal is literally committing genocide
The word "literally" has lost all meaning lol
So you deny Isreal's mass murder of innocent Palestinians? Or do you just not understand the meaning of the words "literally" and "genocide"?
Or do you just not understand the meaning of the words “literally” and “genocide”?
This, but you.
Also your use of "murder" is inappropriate in this context.
Nice "no u" response, hahahaha.
Alright, you're either a troll or the lowest common denominator, and not worth wasting my time either way.
Go ahead and get the last word in so you can tell yourself you "won" an argument, or whatever other self-deluded rationalizations you like to commit. I don't feed trolls, so I'm not gonna bite.
He makes several good points and your basically just vomitting buzzwords and copypasta.
Hahahahaha I bet you don't even see the irony and hypocrisy of your claim here.
He made a bunch of baseless claims, emotional reasoning, logical fallacies, ad hominem, and "no u" as his strongest point.
This is like below average middle school level debate. If you're reading his comments and thinking he's making strong logical arguments, then I am honestly sad for both of you.
No I'm just fully literate.
I don't care about how you feel about our "discussion"
I mean, "they threw rocks at tanks, so they deserved to die" may be a pretty shitty justification to kill civilians, but it's still murder.
You are no better than people openly supporting Hamas.
Which of the attacks in October involved throwing rocks at tanks, again?
It must've been a pretty big rock Islamic Jihad threw when they blew up part of their own hospital.
Yeah leftists are hella dumb.
Lol
Leftist rag, Newsweek.
Something tells me you just actually don't mind the idea of genocide that much.
No they’re inflicting that currently. Extremist threats from low tech militias aren’t equal to the Israeli settler programs happening now or the conditions that the 40% 17 and under live in within Gaza, under Israel’s direct order.
Israel is currently gripped by extremists themselves, they assassinated the Israeli pm that set up the Oslo accords then scuttled them. They funded Hamas because it was easier to ideologically oppose than moderate parties.
The real reason is that extremists on both sides see each other as a great tool for recruitment. Israeli citizens need to follow through on their anti corruption protests and vote extreme Zionists out of power.
they assassinated the Israeli pm that set up the Oslo accords then scuttled them. They funded Hamas because it was easier to ideologically oppose than moderate parties.
Your fantasy world is so much more exciting than the real world.
The irony of you saying that is palpable.
Israeli officials have gone on record to admit they provided quite a bit of support to Hamas in order to undercut more secular organizations. Here’s Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev:
“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”
Here’s another quote:
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.
There was even a moment in 1984 where the leader of Hamas was detained for caching weapons. What should’ve been a 12 year prison term in Israel turned into a slap on the wrist and confiscation of the weapons. Yet another example of Israel knowingly empowering an extremist group.
Obviously they’d support Hamas since Hamas opposed the Fatah accepting a two state solution and disliked their moderate status:
It emerged out of his Mujama al-Islamiya, which had been established in Gaza in 1973 as an Islamic charity involved with the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood.[21] Hamas became increasingly involved in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict by the late 1990s;[61] it opposed the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition as well as the Oslo Accords, which saw Fatah renounce "the use of terrorism and other acts of violence" and recognize Israel in pursuit of a two-state solution.
And on the topic of Rabin, do you deny that Israeli right wing extremist Yigal Amir assassinated Rabin? Do you deny that politicians like Netanyahu contributed to the vitriol towards Rabin?
Another element in the incitement, however unwitting, was political. The fury of Netanyahu’s right wing Likud party knew no bounds. Footage shows Netanyahu speaking at a big rally on Oct. 5, 1995, a month before the assassination. As he speaks, chants rise from the crowd: “Rabin is a traitor,” “In blood and fire we will get rid of Rabin.” Posters were raised of Rabin in Nazi SS uniform. David Levy, a prominent member of Likud, left. Netanyahu carried on.
Netanyahu was also an ardent opponent of the Oslo Accords so when he took power in 96 he refused to continue meetings with the Fatah leader Arafat which resulted in the accord falling apart completely.
The absolute arrogance you have when accusing me of living in an alternate reality is mind blowing.
Israel funded Hamas the way the US funded Al Qaeda, and it exploded in their face the same way.
To suggest they intended to fund Hamas to sabotage the peace deals they wrote and pushed is fucking dumb.
The only reason you believe that is because you're selectively reading to confirm your prior beliefs.
You think it’s dumb because you’re treating the Israeli government as a monolith. The likud party was vehemently against those peace deals and Netanyahu is known to have refused further diplomacy with Arafat once he took power in 96. Why would they not pursue policy they explicitly advocate?
If you’re an extremist party that supports the militant settlers in the West Bank then Hamas is the perfect casus belli to keep pushing for the one state solution the most extreme Zionists want.
The only reason you’re denying historical facts is because you’re determined to defend your own position at all costs.
You haven’t responded to anything I’ve cited. Just a vague allusion to me being totally biased. Attempting to sidestep the actual points I’m raising is a sign of intellectually dishonesty.
I did respond to your claims
Israel funded Hamas the way the US funded Al Qaeda, and it exploded in their face the same way.
To suggest they intended to fund Hamas to sabotage the peace deals they wrote and pushed is fucking dumb.
You go afield a lot. Whether there is strife within Israel's right wing and whether right wing people are psychopaths in general, is neither here nor there.
Bringing up the US is a non sequitur.
As I already stated in my previous response (ironic considering your insistence that you are responding to my claims), Israel is not a monolith.
“To suggest they funded Hamas to sabotage peace deals they wrote…”
Who wrote those deals and who propped up Hamas? Do you think it was the same people? That’d be pretty idiotic. Again, the Israeli government is not a singular entity but a collection of politicians, each with their personal/collective ideologies.
It was Rabin’s moderate coalition and others that set up the accords and it was right wingers like Likud that propped up Hamas and scuttled the deal. Different people were involved with these events and I’ve made that pretty clear multiple times so cut the shit and stop being disingenuous.
Is that clear enough for you to understand?
How much does act.il pay you for your comments?
Being correct is its own reward
You knew what I meant. Israel propped up Hamas for years because it created a rift between Gaza and the West Bank and stalled the creation of the Palestinian state. Israel has been complicit in Hamas’s rise to power and in these attacks. Even Jewish media has admitted that Netanyahu’s govt has allowed them to gain power because it divides Palestine. They want all Palestinians to be seen as terrorists so they can get western support for their genocide. Israeli news even reported about the Hamas training exercises weeks before the actual attack, and if they knew, imagine how much more Israeli intelligence knew. Now they want to starve the Palestinians and are making public jokes about their intent to the UN. Fuck the fascist IDF! Free Palestine! (And no I do not support hamas and never have).
stalled the creation of the Palestinian state
It would be weird for Israel to intend there not to be a Palestinian state when they have continually offered the Palestinians creation of the very first Palestinian state.
Israel funded Hamas as an opponent to Abbas, who was fighting against a Palestinian state. That was really stupid, it turns out, but not for the reasons you've suggested.
It would be weird for Israel to intend there not to be a Palestinian state when they have continually offered the Palestinians creation of the very first Palestinian state.
They dropped that policy in the 90s.
Also Israel funding Hamas isn't a one-off thing.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Lol you know how I know for a fact you didn't read that op-ed? It's about being angry at Netanyahu for providing gazans too many work permits, and for not responding with enough force when Hamas launched rockets.
Seriously, you should read the articles you're pretending to reference.
Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.
Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip.
Here’s an Israeli that called out Israel propping up Hamas and how that would result in the 80s.
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.
I'm sure I'd disagree with lots of Israelis about lots of things. Namely, I'm not Jewish, so that's probably a big one.
Doesn’t matter whether you agree or not. Reality exists all the same and you can’t change the fact that in 1984 the leader of what would become Hamas was detained by Israel for caching weapons. What should’ve been a 12 year sentence turned into an almost instant release.
Right wing Israeli politicians and military leaders did everything they could to prop up Hamas until it could violently overpower the Palestinian secularists and moderates.
Imagine thinking this contradicts anything I've said.
I was merely providing information to validate the claim of the previous commenter. If you agree that Israel is largely responsible for the growth of Hamas then fair enough, your phrasing wasn’t very explicit on that front.
You know, since you're very knowledgeable about Hamas can you answer a question for me?
I'm West Bank, where there's no Hamas presence, Palestinians are still getting killed by the IDF. Can you tell me the reason?