What is the Israel thing going on?
seems like the 'safe' public opinion is 'we stand behind israel' and the left opinion is palestinian support
i don't live there i don't have any particular interest or fascination with the region i don't understand any of this pls don't yell at me
I don't know enough about wars to say there was any that was completely squeaky clean, but there's a spectrum. Like, Britain killing Germans in WWII probably wasn't as bad as what Japanese soldiers did in Nanjing. It was bad, but not as bad.
The British 100% engaged in war crimes during WWII, including the bombing of the city of Dresden.
Can we agree that those war crimes (while wrong and regrettable) don't mean the British were in the wrong in fighting WWII?
I suppose so. Still, Britain could have fought fair, on the battle fronts, after evacuating civilians. They weren't wrong for fighting WWII in the first place; they were wrong for how they went about it.
One point I saw elsewhere in this thread is that Western military support makes it such that if Hamas were to create actual military posts to fight a fair fight like I was imagining, then Israel would just bomb those places and that would be that. No more armed struggle by Palestinian forces because there would be no more Palestinian forces. So the only way for them to have a chance is to fight dirty, hiding among civilians and such.
I suppose so. Still, Britain could have fought fair, on the battle fronts, after evaluating civilians. They werent wrong for fighting WWII in the first place; they were wrong for how they went about it.
Sure, I agree that'd be best. I can't think of a war that hasn't had a reprehensible component; I'm not sure it's possible to entirely avoid civilian casualties.
I don't think we really disagree on much here. I don't think every aspect of what the Palestinian forces are doing is good, but I do think they've been forced into a (literal) corner, where they don't have any choices.
Yeah, thank you for making me think about it some more. It sucks.
Thank you for talking kindly to me! The current situation is very awful.
With exactly the same argument (Hiroshima/Dresden) Israel could flatten Gaza because „war“
I actually don't agree with the U$ bombing of Hiroshima, I just used it as an example that I thought would be easily understood.
I don't think the same applies to the zionist entity because it does not have a just cause for war.