Ex-Americans are suing America to get back some of the money they paid to renounce their citizenship
Ex-Americans are suing America to get back some of the money they paid to renounce their citizenship
Ex-American citizens are suing the US government because they say the $2,350 fee they paid to renounce their citizenships is too high.
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Please do explain then how literally every single other country in the world with a strong safety net and welfare system has managed to fund it without having to tax expats.
If you want all the benefits and none of the costs of being American…
Because again, in literally every single country except one African dictatorship, they interpret "the benefits" as things that you enjoy while actually being in the country, and therefore something you pay for while residing there. The ability to be a citizen of your native country is an assumed right everywhere else.
The only benefit I'd be enjoying is the right to return to my home country if I ever needed to. You don't have to pay for that in practically any other country. And so, yes, I would have to seriously think about renouncing my citizenship since I'd be paying for essentially nothing. I think that's rather unfortunate.
They tax their people more to pay for it.
It’s not rocket surgery.
The answer definitely wouldn’t be to tax the wealthy less…
Cool, renounce your citizenship then.
I'm not going to keep repeating the same things and giving you the same IRS website and hoping you magically start understanding.
Please do explain then how literally every single other country in the world with a strong safety net and welfare system has managed to fund it without having to tax expats.
We're all waiting...
They tax their rich...
Hey, America should do that too!
What's one way we could do that... Maybe we should tax them on things like foreign property deals?
Oh... But what if one of them just changes permanent residency to overseas and then claim that means the sale can't be taxed in America?
Well, we could just tax foreign income over an amount the vast amount of American workers will never earn.
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Hopefully I got this whole conversation out of the way.
I known you don't care about facts here, but for anyone else reading this, the top 10% of American tax payers contribute 74% of all income tax. The US has one of the most progressive tax systems in the world. Stronger social nets in other countries depend on significantly higher taxes on the middle class. That of course does not mean that the extremely wealthy aren't dodging a lot of taxes, but a decently experienced tech worker or pretty much any doctor is in a very very different tax situation than Jeff Bezos etc.
By the way, again not that you care, but your average worker that earns $120,000 is not making massive international real-estate deals. In the context of Switzerland, for instance, one in four Swiss people make enough to be over the US foreign tax threshold.
the top 10% of American tax payers contribute 74% of all income tax.
Because they earn the most income...
That's what happens with percentage based taxes and rampant wealth income disparity...
The bottom of the top 10% are making 3x an average American.
And it only gets more ridiculous as you get up to the 1% which is why the top ten number is high...
Why are you so opinionated about something you don't know about?
Quick edit:
That's right, you're the rich overseas worker who doesn't want to.pay taxes
It's not that you can't understand why the wealthy should pay taxes. You just don't want pay taxes. I'll just block you so I don't fuck up and respond again
I'll just note for any readers that you still are either unable to or refuse to articulate what makes America so unique that it's essentially the only country that taxes foreign income.
The United States is one of the few countries that has a system of taxing its citizens and residents on their worldwide income, including income earned abroad. This practice is known as "citizenship-based taxation." There are a few reasons why the U.S. follows this approach:
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Historical Reasons: The United States has had a system of citizenship-based taxation in place for a long time. It dates back to the Civil War era when it was implemented to fund the war effort.
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Desire to Prevent Tax Evasion: Citizenship-based taxation is intended to prevent U.S. citizens and residents from avoiding taxes by moving their assets or income abroad. Without it, individuals might seek tax havens to reduce their tax liability.
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Complex Tax Code: The U.S. tax code is complex, and changing to a different system, such as residence-based taxation (taxing only income earned within the country), would require a significant overhaul of tax laws.
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Revenue Generation: Taxing foreign income allows the U.S. government to generate revenue from its citizens and residents, regardless of where they earn their income.
It's worth noting that while the U.S. taxes its citizens and residents on foreign income, there are mechanisms in place, such as the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and foreign tax credits, to mitigate double taxation and reduce the tax burden on income earned in other countries. However, compliance with U.S. tax laws related to foreign income can be complex and may require professional assistance for those living abroad.
Hope that helps!
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Again, these income levels don't make people ”rich" and actual rich people aren't affected by them.
I do want to pay taxes, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with this idiotic foreign income tax that only the US charges people. If it's cheaper for people to literally renounce their citizenship than pay it, then it's obviously ineffective at what it does in the first place.
Since I live in the US I pay these taxes anyway. I also always vote to increase my taxes because I've been low income before and I know what a struggle it is in this country. This isn't an issue of my money going anywhere.
So you going off attacking people for being "greedy" for daring to disagree with you shows you aren't interested in having a real discussion. You're a miserable fuck taking out your rage on random internet people like a fucking baby throwing a temper tantrum.
You’re a miserable fuck taking out your rage on random internet people like a fucking baby throwing a temper tantrum.
Calm down Elon
Clearly you don't have any interest in talking, and that's fine, but I do feel obligated to point out that you curiously did not answer this question:
Please do explain then how literally every single other country in the world with a strong safety net and welfare system has managed to fund it without having to tax expats.